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Really? What kind of history books are you reading? The ones which say that Germany committed no atrocities in WWII?
You can read about the Turkish invasion here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus
Turkey was found guilty by the European Commission of Human Rights for displacement of persons, deprivation of liberty, ill treatment, deprivation of life and deprivation of possessions. The Turkish policy of violently forcing a third of the island's Greek population from their homes in the occupied North, preventing their return and settling Turks from the mainland there is considered an example of ethnic cleansing.Remember that you're a welcome guest in this Greek forum and (with the exception of eyoismos
) you've been treated with respect despite your sometimes offensive views towards Greece and Greeks.Please be a bit more mindful when you post unsupported opinions which are clearly offensive to the vast majority of the users of this forum. Please respect your hosts.
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You're grossly misinformed about the Cypriot issue Patrick. Please do some reading before posting comments like the one above.
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Doesn't look like it came through. I'm copying and pasting that post from your blog as a quote below:
Against the Spring palate, blood red is a stark contrast to baby blue, powder pink, lime green, lilac purple, canary yellow; yet I equate crimson with Easter more than the season’s softer hues.
As a child I hunted pastel eggs, but the ovals gracing our dinner table were a rich, vibrant vermillion. Occasionally, Greek Easter fell on the same day as its non-Orthodox counterpart. Either way, the Easter Bunny who visited my home possessed a thick mustache and a string of worry beads, and, during select years, scored candy at discount prices.
I remember waking early on those special Sunday mornings to scour my basket for chocolate prior to dressing for services at the Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Oakland. We didn’t attend church with much regularity, with the exception of Easter. It was the one day religion took center stage as we cruised through the hills, passing the towering Mormon Temple with its peaked, space-ship-esque towers, and entering the lot below, our comparatively humble dome.
As I shuffled across the cobblestone plateia, careful not to scuff the polish on my little black Wingtips, anticipation grew en-route to the chapel. Stepping into the dim narthex with its holy icons, the somber faces of the saints painted in rich detail, while the deep violet, blue, and orange tints of their robes exuded a richness rivaled only by the pigments gracing the pages of my comic books. There in that shadowy chamber, I was given a candle. About an inch down from the wick was a translucent plastic cone, a wax receptacle the same deep red as those prized Easter eggs.
Reaching the pews, we lit our candles from the flames of other parishioners. Soon the chapel was awash with a crimson glow, the red color symbolizing the blood of Christ and, in turn, new life. As the priest intoned the liturgy, I kept my eyes on the ruddy flicker before me, illuminating that scarlet cone, yet I couldn't help fixate on the eventual feast.
Some years, my family attended the church picnic, usually held at suburban fairgrounds, and I vaguely recall potato-sack races across vast green lawns, or egg relay games. But most vivid are memories of lambs roasting on spits, constantly rotating while being basted with olive oil, garlic, lemon, and herbs.
When we didn’t attend the picnics, we celebrated Easter at the homes of friends or family. My yiayia was known for oven-roasting leg-of-lamb, always well-done to skin-crackling perfection, as is the customary Greek method. While savoring each bite, I would sit in anticipation of the “shell game,” in which selected from the centerpiece bowl of eggs. I always picked a nice, heavy one. With orb chosen, I turned to the person next to me, raised my egg, point-side-down, and bashed it against my neighbor’s with a cheerful utterance of “Christos Anesti!” (Christ has risen!) In reply, my opponent declared, “Alithos Anesti!” (Truly, he has risen!) If my shell cracked, I was out of the game, left only to peel and eat my hard-boiled delight. If my shell remained intact, I advanced to the next round.
A simple game to end an exciting day and sumptuous meal, and yet even now as an adult, I anticipate it and all the Easter season brings, with joy. The stuff of a Greek-American childhood.
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You missed the point of my question eyo.
My questions was:
What I don't fully understand is why muslim fanatics are involved in way more killings as compared to Christian or other religion fanatics. I mean, surely there must be many fanatics of every religion out there but they're barely ever involved in killings in the name of their religion as much as the muslims do.
I wonder why this is. Is this something in the teachings of the muslim faith that triggers the muslim fanatics to become much more violent than the fanatics of the other religions?
Being a non-religious person myself I find it very hard to understand all this craziness...It's extremely sad seeing young people die for no reason. Just because some nutcase believes that their god is better than someone elses god. Incomprehensible craziness. -
I think both go hand in hand in this case (and not only...).
I agree that the western world is not as sensitive to what's going on in Africa or even Asia.
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The death toll in the Kenya college attack could rise further, a government source is warning.
Many of the bodies have been taken to a morgue in Nairobi.At least 147 people were killed when masked al-Shabaab militants – strapped with explosives and armed with AK-47’s – stormed Garissa University College, some 200 kilometres from the Somali border. They initially killed indiscriminately, tossing grenades and spraying bullets at terrified students. But they later freed some Muslims and targeted Christians instead.
One aid worker described a range of gunshot wounds, adding that it appeared people had been hit “randomly.” More than 400 people have been killed by al-Shabaab since President Kenyatta took office two years ago. The attacks are said to be in retaliation for Kenya sending troops to fight the militants in Somalia.
http://www.euronews.com/2015/04/03/death-toll-could-rise-further-in-kenya-college-massacre/
The killing in the name of (someone's) god continues.
What I don't fully understand is why muslim fanatics are involved in way more killings as compared to Christian or other religion fanatics. I mean, surely there must be many fanatics of every religion out there but they're barely ever involved in killings in the name of their religion as much as the muslims do.
I wonder why this is. Is this something in the teachings of the muslim faith that triggers the muslim fanatics to become much more violent than the fanatics of the other religions?
Being a non-religious person myself I find it very hard to understand all this craziness...It's extremely sad seeing young people die for no reason. Just because some nutcase believes that their god is better than someone elses god. Incomprehensible craziness.
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Hi Apollo, welcome back.
Feel free to post a short intro to your book and a link to Amazon when your book is for sale.
Good luck. I hope your book does well
Καλη τύχη!
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Greeks are traditionally friendly to Russians because of the common religion. This goes back to the 17th and 18th century when we were hoping at the time for the Russians to support us in overthrowing the Ottoman rule (help which never came...).
As it is right now Russia has its own problems, but they wouldn't mind using Greece as a means to show to the EU and the US that they still hold some power. It would be pretty stupid for Greece to side with Russia at this point in time. I wouldn't mind if Tsipras is using all this as a means to "force" the EU and the US into helping Greece get a better financial deal. If he's indeed looking into getting Russia involved with bailing us out then he's a dangerous idiot.
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You're right. Most of the old content must be saved in some form or the other in archive site like the Way Back Machine.
We did manage to salvage and move over all the mSQL database tables from our old server to this new one. Issue is that Dino or I have no clue on how to display this info using the new front end design.
The old forum posts are also ported over to this new server, however that's an even tougher job to port the over into this forum. Also, since when I created this forum I decided that we don't really need all the sections we had in the old forum this is not a 1 to 1 relationship anymore. So if we were to revive the old posts (if that's at all possible) it would have to be done manually so that the right post would move into the right section of the new site. I'd assume that this would be quite a bit of work as we're talking about thousands of posts.
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http://www.hellenism.net/greece/greek-history/ottoman/
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When the Ottomans arrived, two Greek migrations occurred. The first migration entailed the Greek intelligentsia migrating to Western Europe and influencing the advent of the Renaissance.I think that the migration of many Greeks to the west after - and around the time of - the fall of Constantinople did influence (and possibly helped) kickstart Renaissance. However, this is a long way from saying that Greeks or Greece and Byzantium at the time in general had anything to do with the Renaissance.
Some exceptional individuals, yes. The "Greek world" as a whole, no. The average Greek at the time was as backwards as it gets under the rule of Byzantium and they remained at pretty much the same situation (no better or worse...) when the Ottomans took over.
It was the foreigners (the Byrons, the Shelleys and the rest of the philhellenes of the 18th and 19th century) who implanted in the "modern" Greek psyche the notion that they're the continuation and the proud descendants of the glorious Greeks of ancient times. That's when those "new" Greeks of the 18th and 19th century started naming their kids Odysseus, Achilles etc, trying create a glorious ethnic identity for themselves, which was completely at odds with their current situation and lives.
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Yes, we lost some wonderful posts from the old forum.
In fact those posts are still saved somewhere in our server, so they're not really lost forever. It's just a matter of finding someone who knows how to retrieve them and add them on to this forum.
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I haven't retrieved the old content yet (it's still stored on those mSQL tables...). I had to re-write a lot of the content you see on the new pages (with the help of Wikipedia and some other sites of course...
).There's still a lot of content missing. For example the famous Greeks section is not there at all yet. The same with most of the mythology sections.
I just had to put something up to give us some time to figure out how we can retrieve some of the existing data and how we can display them using this new design.
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On the main website the print is pretty large (very large I'd say for my likes...), but you're right that the font colour seems to be some shade of grey and not quite black.
I don't see any light blue print anywhere, except if you mean the links. This seems to be the standard "link colour" blue.
I'll see if we can do anything with the font colour. I don't have troubles reading this but if more people complain we'll take a look at this.
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I think the most realistic option will be that greece will go nearly bancrupt so syriza is washed away and then a taskforce takes over. Greece can´t governt itself right now.
If this happens then I hope that this task force is not a military junta.
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Are you talking about the forum: http://www.hellenism.net/greek-forum/
or the main website: http://www.hellenism.net
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Please provide feedback so that we'll make any adjustments where needed.
Thanks!
Για δώστε εντυπώσεις, σχόλια για να κάνουμε αλλαγές όπου χρειάζεται.
Ευχαριστώ!
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Good points ajax.
Eyo, unfortunately, that's more or less what happened. We can't blame the creditors for giving us money and putting us in debt.
We went out there asking for money knowing full well that at some point we'd have to pay it back. In typical Greek fashion though each government that borrowed had in the back of their minds the usual Greek mentality of "let the next government figure out how they're going to repay this loan". Worse yet, even after we've reached the point of no return the new Greek government goes around asking for more money yet! It's like we don't get it, or I guess our politicians and most of the morons who vote for them don't get it.
My only hope is that the EU (and yes, the bad Germans too) will figure out a way to save us one more time because we're incapable of saving ourselves.
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Calm down guys. Mistakes have been done on both sides. Both Greece and the EU are in a situation now where a viable solution needs to be found. Time is running out.
Either way, even if Greece exits Euro I don't think this is going to be the end of Greece or the end of the EU.
Greece has find herself in tougher situations than this. We'll somehow find a way to make this work.
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It's the story of the boy who cried wolf all over again
By the way, this is a Greek story (one of Aesop's fables).
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Keep us updated eyo. I hope things will go back to normal for you soon.
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The original message by eyo was posted on March 31st, so it better not be an early April's fool joke.
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What baffles me is how this guy finds time to write articles (and do photo shoots...) in the middle of a crisis, and in the middle of constantly travelling around Europe to persuade the rest of the EU to keep Greece in the Euro.
I had high hopes when he took up office, but a few weeks later I'm realizing that I've never seen a showboating individual like this one in the Greek political scene ever before.
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What the hell happened? Are you serious???
Please keep us updated. This is scary stuff! Good luck tomorrow!
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Ναι το βλέπω κι εγώ αυτό. Θα το συνηθίσουν!