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so this russian spaceship is about to crash on earth

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and nobody knows where

 

so the out of the ordinary question question would be, if it lands on land, and even worse ,somewhere that is inhabited..... who pays the price.... of deaths, of destruction of property, etc etc?

 

and is it a case of finders keepers, losers weepers ?

who owns the space garbage?

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so it WAS this forum that ihad brought this up in the past - i wasnt too sure

 

though now, the point is moot ,.... the damn rusky space junk decided crash in the ocean

 

damn !

now, no chance of making a quick buck from .... souvenirs and compensations

 

:P 

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everywhere i can stir the pot and ... with various uses names too

 

remember once ... in one of them, some time back .... i had like 4 personalities going....all arguing with each other .... and just bout everybody taking sides ...all the while ....hahahahaha ..... you guessed it ....and everybody to this day is none the wiser

 

and to ensure this, i was using 4 different browsers all going through different proxy servers so not even the administrators could pick this up

 

funniest shit ever

 

damn hard too ... choosing positions and sticking with them...ie retaining "character" so to speak - i swear it was not easy but great fun nonetheless

 

it was all worth it , though.... actually helped me in many ways to create various dialogues for my story writing endeavors - it was a very worth while exercise, so to speak

 

now watch some come up with suspicions and conspiracy theories going on here on hellenism

 

(-* devious grin *- )

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As far as i heared it crashed into the pacific ocean. And i think the nation that builds it also owns it after the crash and is responsible for evry possible damage. 

 

I would never touch debris of a crashed space craft. The RCS and OMS operate with hydrazine in orbit. Hydrazine is incredible posionous. I visited the KSC with my parents in 2009 and we watched space shuttle Atlantis launch. We had a tour and the guide told us that once in Orbit the shuttle uses monopropellants to rotate and change orbit as well as for deorbit. And this monopropellant is hydrazine. Its also used in satellites and so poison that technicians on the ground only go close in compleet suits with oxygen supply. One drop on your skin and you die. 

 

You can also see that when a shuttle lands, some trucks drive behind it like crazy and as soon as it stands still they attack giant pipes to its stern to suck any possible vapor away.

 

atlantis-closeup-ksc-2-0722.jpg

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here is the thing ... and yes i looked it up because you stung my curiosity .... hydrazine has a boiling point of 114 degrees ie becomes vapour ...typical uncontrolled and even crashing space debris can hit 3000 degrees and more on rentry ...apart from hydrazine being unstable ..... its unikely that it could withstand such high temperatures and still remain intact

 

controlled and supervised landings, aka eg space shuttles, would probably be another matter altogether

 

the way i figure it .... eating cabbage or any other veggy on some random farm or other, would be far more dangerous to one's health, (due to insecticides and pesticides ) than that some random leftover from any space debris that actually managed to survive the reentry, not burn up,  and actually land on earth somewhere

 

but i could be wrong ;)

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here is the thing ... and yes i looked it up because you stung my curiosity .... hydrazine has a boiling point of 114 degrees ie becomes vapour ...typical uncontrolled and even crashing space debris can hit 3000 degrees and more on rentry ...apart from hydrazine being unstable ..... its unikely that it could withstand such high temperatures and still remain intact

 

controlled and supervised landings, aka eg space shuttles, would probably be another matter altogether

 

the way i figure it .... eating cabbage or any other veggy on some random farm or other, would be far more dangerous to one's health, (due to insecticides and pesticides ) than that some random leftover from any space debris that actually managed to survive the reentry, not burn up,  and actually land on earth somewhere

 

but i could be wrong ;)

problem is, that it is possible that when large parts break off the falling spacecraft, than it is possible that the hydrazine tank survives reentry, because other parts shield it. It is really ver dangerous and i would not take the risk.

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fair point ... i let you know when a hydrazine tank survives reentry in a crash scenario
 
but in the mean time i leave you with this
 
On the technical study of USA 193’s fuel tank reentry
 

An independent analysis of the same NASA paper by Dr. Geoffrey Forden of MIT reaches the same conclusion as myself and other colleagues do: the tank and hydrazine burn and disperse high up in the atmosphere.

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In 2011 a hydrazine tank from a falling space craft crashed into the desert of namibia:

 

article-2077708-0F3F456200000578-751_634

 

another one came down in Saudi Arabia

 

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Another one came down in 2000

 

Space-debris-A-metal-ball-001.jpg

 

 

Its all about the size of the original object. The larger it is and the more the tanks are placed at a remote place inside the object, the higher the chance that something comes down intact. 

 

Considering the fact that this stuff is so extremly dangerous we may agree that it is best to hold some healthy distance and inform the police. 

 

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/02files/Space_Debris_04.html

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we may agree that it is best to hold some healthy distance and inform the police.

that goes without saying, that one needs to contact the authorities, when something suspicious or alien (and i use that word in general loose terms - not about little green men) enters one's "domain" ..... hydrazine or no hydrazine

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