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FofG:

 

However, talking about Greece instead of Turkey is a deviation of the real issue. Greece is not the one flooding the EU with the illegals. Turkey is, it is where they come from. It would not surprise me that the turkish government gets a fat cut from the smugglers. It sure helps the sagging turkish economy.

Greece is exactly the one floding the EU with refugees. And it does so intentionaly. The stats are prove for that:

 

August 2014 during the Samaras Government and enforcement: 10.000 Landings

August 2015 with there are no sea borders Tsipras and ZERO enforcement: 120.000 Landings

 

You see the difference. The whole debacle is a failure of the idiotic duo Tsipras/Kamenos and they do it intentionaly.

When I arrived at the Intercity Bus Terminal in Thessaloniki last August at 5:00 am there were around 3000 people camping in and around the terminal. The Police head quarters of Thessaloniki is less then 200 yeards away from the Intercity terminal and there was not a single Police man to be found anywhere. Thats because they received orders from our Supreme Dunce in charge to retreat.

That's the sad reality on the ground.

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If you compare both years, the big spike was after Merkel said this summer that Germany will accept the migrants. So in the Middle East, the people circulated the news and they sell their houses, made the trip through Turkey in order to cross the sea.

 

Now, there are talks of 7,000 or 10,000 or more persons arriving on an island each day.

 

It breaks my heart to see what the Greeks have to go through, especially in the islands (watch Youtube for riots on Lesbos). Because of their good hearts and their history of being emigrants themselves, the Greeks have opened their borders to save people from drowning, even if they don't have enough to eat. Having the migrants has been damaging to Greek tourism, at a moment when they need it to sustain themselves.

 

There are few policemen and with lack of cash, what can Greece do? These migrants are violent, arrogant and demanding, and riot everywhere they go.

 

No matter what individuals are thinking, as long as Greece is still part of the EU, it calls for an EU solution. The migrants did not come for Greece, they came for Germany, Sweden and Finland. Greece does not have to bear the burden for that if Germany needs workers to boost their economy.

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typical greek bullshit. Boost our economy? Its already on the absolute top. Greece is a failed state and yes we need a EU solution to finally drop greece and kick that pathetic 3rd world state out of europe. I feel ashamed that my great nation is in the same group with a pathetic african nation like greece.

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Typical self-serving and self-promoting attitude from a Greek-bashing German. Why bother to come in this Greek forum if you are so ashamed? Truly pathetic.

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Typical self-serving and self-promoting attitude from a Greek-bashing German. Why bother to come in this Greek forum if you are so ashamed? Truly pathetic.

 

 

Looks like at least some greeks like Ajax know whats going on and try to improve.

 

I just don´t figure out if he believes change is possible or not. 

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Typical self-serving and self-promoting attitude from a Greek-bashing German. Why bother to come in this Greek forum if you are so ashamed? Truly pathetic.

 

when i read most the german's posts, for some strange and obscure reason, my mind immediately thinks of these guys

 

borg-group1.png

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when i read most the german's posts, for some strange and obscure reason, my mind immediately thinks of these guys

 

borg-group1.png

 

 

Why should i want garbage to be assimilated with us?

 

With all honesty. When you mix vanilla ice cream with dog shit...shit stays shit but the ice cream is ruined. So don´t worry. No plan from our side to assimilate anything from greece.

 

We are a nation with thousands of years of culture and history. One of the most powerful economies in the world and leading in science and engineering.

 

Greece on the hand is a big nothing. A failed state. Non existing culture and no history. The greeks today have no connection to the ancient ruins placed in that land at all. So don´t worry about anything. That little shit country cant even produce olive oil. 

 

Do you produce anything at all? I heared even chimps are able to use tools. Something most greeke seem to be incapable to do. 

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yup ... i was right ...pure (dillusi)anal borg

 

borg2.jpg

 

 

I think the dementia of your old brain prgresses fast. :D

 

btw :D

 

greek-banks-are-closed-until-thursday-an

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omg

 

you get more pathetic by the minute

 

laughing at the expense of those who are suffering? seriously?

 

oh wait ... an example of german humor  ...my bad

 

μέχρι τώρα σε έλεγα μουνόπανο  ... αλλά μάλλον λάθος εκανα ...

μάλλον αρχιδότριχα στο τετράγωνο... το απότέλεσμα από τις πολλές πίπες που κάνεις

 

αλήθεια ... χωράς σε κανόνι ; έστω και γερμανικό κανόνι ;

οχι τίποτες άλλο ....να καταλάβουμε ποσο μεγάλο βλήμα είσαι δηλαδή

:P

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Looks like at least some greeks like Ajax know whats going on and try to improve.

 

I just don´t figure out if he believes change is possible or not.

In my heart I hope that Greece can be fixed but in my head I know that this can not happen. A Greek posted in a parallel post that he finds Greece is "Near Perfect". And that unfortunately how most Greeks think. People who think themselves perfect don't even try to change.

 

PS found another Eyo pic on the web

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since you insist on consuming mind altering drugs with abandonment ... i can play the game too

 

current picture of ajax

 

Head-up-your-ass.jpg

 

BAZZINGA !!!!!

 

:D

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well,

 

you've already established that Novo-Graecians as yourself ARE the pinnacle of Human evolution, the near perfect combination of aesthetics and intellect that can not be surpassed. I guess my inability to see that must mean that I have my head up my arse.

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In my heart I hope that Greece can be fixed but in my head I know that this can not happen. A Greek posted in a parallel post that he finds Greece is "Near Perfect". And that unfortunately how most Greeks think. People who think themselves perfect don't even try to change.

 

PS found another Eyo pic on the web

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Sorry to break your bubble, but this is the real photo of eyo  :D

 

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Tsipras did not beg. He was treated like shit. He was pushed in the corner and had to endure evry single belittlement possible. :)

 

Beside that what i really wonder is...when i was in greece i had little contact to greeks. Greeks had no access to our building and the only greek nation we had there was our interpreter. She studied in germany, spoke fluent german and now lived in Athens. And she wastotally different to the guys in this forum. She hated greece with passion. She was radical anti greece.

 

She told me that greece must be crushed and rebuild and how glad she is to be able to work in the specific gremiums to achieve this. I learned "salvation through destruction" from her. She was the one who adviced us, who gave us informations about greek officials and politicians and political movements and she had excellent contacts there. She knew decissions from Syriza before it was in the news and organized our decission making.

 

Knowing her and what she told us...and seeing all this bullshit here is the reason why i can´t take anyone serious in this forum. 

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Tsipras did not beg. He was treated like shit. He was pushed in the corner and had to endure evry single belittlement possible. :)

 

Beside that what i really wonder is...when i was in greece i had little contact to greeks. Greeks had no access to our building and the only greek nation we had there was our interpreter. She studied in germany, spoke fluent german and now lived in Athens. And she wastotally different to the guys in this forum. She hated greece with passion. She was radical anti greece.

 

She told me that greece must be crushed and rebuild and how glad she is to be able to work in the specific gremiums to achieve this. I learned "salvation through destruction" from her. She was the one who adviced us, who gave us informations about greek officials and politicians and political movements and she had excellent contacts there. She knew decissions from Syriza before it was in the news and organized our decission making.

 

Knowing her and what she told us...and seeing all this bullshit here is the reason why i can´t take anyone serious in this forum. 

 

 

για μισό ... είχατε απίστευτη γνώση ποιά ήταν τα καθίκια που ήταν διαφθαρμένα ; και δεν κάνατε ούτε κόπο να τους καρφώσετε στις αρχές ; κατάλαβα

 

αλλά ξέχασα .... υπάρχει σωστός και λάθος τρόπος για διαφθορά ... οι γερμανοί και πρωταθλητές υποκρισίας και διαφθοράς και ξέρουν να μεταχειρίζονται καταστάσεις σαν μαφιόζοι  ..."επαγγελματικά" βέβαια

 

μου κάνει όμως μεγάλη εντύπωση οτι ποτέ δεν έκανες συναναστροφές με έλληνες και βασίστηκες εντελώς στούς παραλογισμούς κάποιας δήθεν ελληνίδας, μιά τρελάρα που της άρεσε να κάνει πίπες στους γερμανούς, γιατί αυτό θέλανε να ακούσουνε, και απέφυγε ολόκληρη την "φωτογραφία"  ..... μπας και βγάλει κανένα φράγκο;

 

ε λοιπόν σε ευχαριστούμε που μας δίνεις ατράνταχτη απόδειξη οτι είσαι πραγματι μεγάλο μουνόπανο και ακόμα μεγαλύτερο νούμερο

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Chancellor Merkel had an important meeting with turkish PM today.

 

Looks like we have an agreement that Turkey blocks all acess to Europe and even takes evry single refugee back. But the prize is high...

 

We offer turks free visa, and 3 billion €. We support Erdogan and declare turkey a save nation.

 

It was also announced that greece said it would not join any cooperation in boarder control with turkey. So we make that move unilateral with turkey and over greece head. 

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The 3 billion euros is for the first year, as a starting amount. There is no guarantee Turkey will stop the flow of migrants. Considering Turkey is the one pushing them, of course being the one I suspected to be behind the smugglers as I previously mentioned and as mentioned in the link below, there is money for Turkey to make on both sides. Beware of Turks making deals. Erdogan is a megalomaniac dreaming of neo-Ottoman conquest of the EU. Merkel who created a disaster for Greece and other EU countries by calling on all migrants to go to Germany, causing havoc wherever they passed by, is going to create another disaster by dealing with Turkey.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/18/claim-turkey-will-use-euro-billions-to-push-its-kurdish-problem-into-europe/

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Turkey is teh only chance we have right now. And we use it. And no, Merkel never called all migrants to germany. She prevented a humaniterian crisis in budapest. Those there were long there as she opened the boarder for them. 

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As I mentioned before, it is because of Merkel's call (i.e accepting in Germany) this summer that the people on the other side of the sea packed up to cross the sea to go through Greeceiin order to reach Germany, with Sweden and Finland as second choices. The huge spike in the migrants' invasion occurred this summer after her call, compared to previous years' stats. In my opinion, the EU should help Greece to protect the EU external borders by beefing up Frontex on international waters between Turkey and Greece. I would be extremely hesitant of whatever Turkey says. The EU crisis should be handled appropriately between all the EU members, instead of being rushed with Germany imposing its will over everyone else. Excluding Greece from the migrant crisis discussions, while Greece is the country in the middle of that crisis, only reflects arrogance to the point of blindness. Blindness or insanity?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3275481/Turkey-holds-Europe-ransom-migrants-Country-issues-list-demands-including-3-billion-euros-aid-return-tightening-border-controls.html

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As I mentioned before, it is because of Merkel's call (i.e accepting in Germany) this summer that the people on the other side of the sea packed up to cross the sea to go through Greeceiin order to reach Germany, with Sweden and Finland as second choices. The huge spike in the migrants' invasion occurred this summer after her call, compared to previous years' stats. In my opinion, the EU should help Greece to protect the EU external borders by beefing up Frontex on international waters between Turkey and Greece. I would be extremely hesitant of whatever Turkey says. The EU crisis should be handled appropriately between all the EU members, instead of being rushed with Germany imposing its will over everyone else. Excluding Greece from the migrant crisis discussions, while Greece is the country in the middle of that crisis, only reflects arrogance to the point of blindness. Blindness or insanity?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3275481/Turkey-holds-Europe-ransom-migrants-Country-issues-list-demands-including-3-billion-euros-aid-return-tightening-border-controls.html

 

 

bullshit. Merkel said in the summer that nobody can stay and was critisized for that. 

 

We make a deal with turkey, because turkey can stop them before tehy reach europe. What can greece do? Nothing. We must do something and i don´t see how greece can do anything. I saw greece state. Its bancrupt, its army is weak and so is its police force,. Greece can´t protect its boarder. 

 

That entire refugee crisis is horrible. They cant stay here and first time in my life i´m actually worried about a development and fear about the outcome. 

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greece has been dealing with turkey for centuries and fully understand the thought process of turkey, and unfortunately, but understandably, some of that mentality has rubbed off, sad to say

 

germany is only wetting her toes at the moment, of what that means , but in reality hasnt a clue...

and our visitor actually thinks he is a specialist expert

 

so dont wasting your time trying to persuade him on anything whatsoever ..he knows better

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