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Why post this? I mean what conclusion do you want?

 

I just read an article about the space shuttle main engine but do not post it here. 

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We used to have a history section, I guess this could go into culture. ButI have posted articles here in the past about Greek-Jews, I had an aunt my grandparents adopted that was Jewish, so the topic always interest me.

By the way this is a general discussion section, where we might talk about donations, dating advice (yes),  and it is not the first time I have posted on this topic in our forum, it predates you if that is what you are wondering.

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I didn't read it either.

Why bring this up?

 

You want to post uplifting stories?

Some of the families who lost their children to Israeli bombs in Lebanon can provide those too.

 

So do the Palestinians who survive Israeli occupation in Gaza.

 

And...

the Iraqis who suffered "Colateral Damages" from the US forces.

And the Armenians

And the Pontians and Ionians

And the Serbs and Russians and Greeks who suffered through WW II

And the Japanese who survived Hiroshima

And the Chinese who lived through Japanese occupation.

 

Just wondering?

Is the world deaf to their uplifting stories or blind to their suffering?

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Guest PatrickT

Nope you posted it as subtile anti german rant. You should make a post about how greece could become a european nation. that would be uplifting

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Ajax, simply because it is a story about GREEK Jews, that lived in GREECE, and were protected by their GREEK Christian neighbors. Just like the story about the Jews of Zakintho that I have also posted in the old site, where you also went on your anti semitic rant. No criticizing Israel, and Jews does not make one anti semetic, it is only when you have one sided biased opinions. If you want to have a conversation about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, start a different post, but this is about GREEK Jew survival story. And the efforts of the children of the survivors to learn more about their mom and family's history.

 

Funny how you both did not read it, but sure had to comment.

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Patrick I don't care for you, or your opinions, this story was shared by a Greek page on Facebook "MyParea" today, and I shared it here, don't care what you think of it, my motives, and so on.

 

I don't live in GREECE now, I did 20+ years ago, my father was Greek, my mother American, but my experiences in Greece, the culture, the philotimo, history, ... make me love the place and its people.

 

Do I recognize problems with Greece, yes, I experienced many of the issues describbed in posts here in Greece. And just look at my posts, I dole out plenty of criticism about Greece. But you came here not with your grey opinions, you see things in black and white, where Greece has been placed purely in one color. So no I don't appreciate your one sided biased commentary.

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And Ajax, eyoismos, admin, others and I have had plenty of conversations about Iraq, Serbia, Kosovo, and other topics, and I am sure you have participated in some, if you're interested, start a new post.

 

This is the general discussion subforum.

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Guest PatrickT

Its funny how you always blackmail my country. Why dont you blackmail italy or bulgaria instead?

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Ajax, simply because it is a story about GREEK Jews, that lived in GREECE, and were protected by their GREEK Christian neighbors. Just like the story about the Jews of Zakintho that I have also posted in the old site, where you also went on your anti semitic rant. No criticizing Israel, and Jews does not make one anti semetic, it is only when you have one sided biased opinions. If you want to have a conversation about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, start a different post, but this is about GREEK Jew survival story. And the efforts of the children of the survivors to learn more about their mom and family's history.

 

Funny how you both did not read it, but sure had to comment.

What's funny is that you accuse me of being Antisemitic. Have I expressed any hatred against the Semitic Race?

In my post I express sympathy for the suffering of the Semitic Palestinians and the Semitic Lebanese and the Semitic Iraqis. So what the hell makes you think that I am driven by Racial hatred of Semites?

 

And why the hell should a story that happened long time ago be of any mmportance in a time where our very existence as a Nation is comming to an end?

 

Want to bang that anti-german drum or what?

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What's funny is that you accuse me of being Antisemitic. Have I expressed any hatred against the Semitic Race?

In my post I express sympathy for the suffering of the Semitic Palestinians and the Semitic Lebanese and the Semitic Iraqis. So what the hell makes you think that I am driven by Racial hatred of Semites?

 

And why the hell should a story that happened long time ago be of any mmportance in a time where our very existence as a Nation is comming to an end?

 

Want to bang that anti-german drum or what?

 

 

Even more funny when you know that the current greek "government" has nazis and antisemites as ministers.

 

http://www.thepressproject.net/article/55794/The-bizarre-and-anti-semitic-conspiracy-theories-of-the-SYRIZA-candidate-for-Regional-Governor-of-Western-Macedonia

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Ajax you are an anti Jew, anti Immigrant, anti Greek, who just happens to be a Greek immigrant. Someone that has allowed either personal experiences or one sided readings to make you see things in black and white.

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Patrick yes Syriza, their junior partner have some jew hatters in it. And the Golden Dawn party is full of hate.

 

Patrick this post is not about you, you are passing through this place, it is not blackmail, it is about history, the human spirit, it is a story that made me feel good, about 100 residents risking their own lives for someone else.

 

Again Facebook a place full of trolls, had nothing but positive comments about this story, here I got the 2 most hateful people on this site to comment on this.

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Patrick yes Syriza, their junior partner have some jew hatters in it. And the Golden Dawn party is full of hate.

 

Patrick this post is not about you, you are passing through this place, it is not blackmail, it is about history, the human spirit, it is a story that made me feel good, about 100 residents risking their own lives for someone else.

 

Again Facebook a place full of trolls, had nothing but positive comments about this story, here I got the 2 most hateful people on this site to comment on this.

 

 

Do you seriously call me hateful? Do you know what hate means? Basic fact is you wanted to post an anti-german thing and thats the only purpose behind this. You should try to cool down your hate against germany and germans. 

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Dude I told you what this is about, you either read the article, or you didn't, at this point you can make this all you want about you, it's not, I suggest you read it and comment about it, otherwise you are just trolling.

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Dude I told you what this is about, you either read the article, or you didn't, at this point you can make this all you want about you, it's not, I suggest you read it and comment about it, otherwise you are just trolling.

 

 

I´m not interested in boring tales you bring up. 

 

If you hoped to get some money with heartwarming stories from germany i must disappoint you. 

 

By the way its funny. Greece is ruled from a nazi coalition right now. Socialist and natioanlists formed a nationalsocialist coalition. You couldn´t make this up. 

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Ajax you are an anti Jew, anti Immigrant, anti Greek, who just happens to be a Greek immigrant. Someone that has allowed either personal experiences or one sided readings to make you see things in black and white.

You are right with one thing:

 

I have lived and worked as an immigrant in half a dozen countries and I plan to make the dozen full.

And every time I immigrate I learn the language, familiarize myself with the culture and the customs of the country I immigrate to. I also secure a job. Arrange for accomodations and get my paperwork in order before I move.

 

Do you think I'm hostile towards people who do the same?

If this were the case you would have the right to call me anti-immigrant.

 

Perhaps you see me as anti immigrant because you don't really know what an immigrant is and how immigration works.

 

PS:

Yes I despise Judaism. It is a racist and bigotted world view. It is mother lode of all insanity.

What is wrong about that?

Am I suppose to love every idiocy no matter where it originates?

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Guest eyoismos

Greece is ruled from a nazi coalition right now.

 

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its bad enough to talk about political stupidity and ignorance

 

but that bit about "You couldn´t make this up"

 

absolute priceless !!!!

 

Godwin's law gone supersonic

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Guest eyoismos

You are right with one thing:

 

I have lived and worked as an immigrant in half a dozen countries and I plan to make the dozen full.

And every time I immigrate I learn the language, familiarize myself with the culture and the customs of the country I immigrate to. I also secure a job. Arrange for accomodations and get my paperwork in order before I move.

 

Do you think I'm hostile towards people who do the same?

If this were the case you would have the right to call me anti-immigrant.

 

Perhaps you see me as anti immigrant because you don't really know what an immigrant is and how immigration works.

in a lot of ways i agree with you about immigrating the correct way, by following the rules, whatever they may be

 

and this has absolutely nothing to do with education, or economic capabilities or whatever

 

the problem is many if most ,especially from the politically correct but blind west, who have never had to deal with the massive problem that greece, like italy and others, are forced to face . and deal with the stupidity of those "tree huggers" who cant see the broader picture of "conquest" with the use of cannon fodder of the masses

 

so in that respect i am very anti-immigrant as well

 

having said that .... i also have no objection to those who follow legal procedures of the host countries . .after all ... more often that not, many criticize greeks for being so "anti-immigrant" while most about all of the greek dispora are immigrants.... but conveniently forget that the vast majority of the greek diaspora HAVE followed the rules involved by the host countries involved as set by them during those times that it happened

 

something that is NOT happening in the greek reality right now

 

and when you have frontex itself being witnesses to turkish coastguards accompanying boatloads of illegals invading greece's territory says it all

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Guest eyoismos

Why post this? I mean what conclusion do you want?

 

I just read an article about the space shuttle main engine but do not post it here. 

and why not?

or do you now demand to be put in the position of what one posts and what one is not allowed to post?

WTF !!!!!

 

if you feel like posting about the space shuttle and hoping on starting a conversation .... if people feel interested they will participate. if people might think its over the head or choose not to participate or even choose to ignore it,

their right and privilege

 

DEAL WITH IT

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Guest eyoismos

Nope you posted it as subtile anti german rant.

hmmm.... can we talk about people with blazing paranoia, extreme feelings of a prosecution complex embedded in their psyche, or maybe this ingrained desperation to find imaginary scorpions under every pebble in the sand

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Guest eyoismos

I didn't read it either.

Why bring this up?

 

You want to post uplifting stories?

Some of the families who lost their children to Israeli bombs in Lebanon can provide those too.

 

So do the Palestinians who survive Israeli occupation in Gaza.

 

And...

the Iraqis who suffered "Colateral Damages" from the US forces.

And the Armenians

And the Pontians and Ionians

And the Serbs and Russians and Greeks who suffered through WW II

And the Japanese who survived Hiroshima

And the Chinese who lived through Japanese occupation.

 

Just wondering?

Is the world deaf to their uplifting stories or blind to their suffering?

all valid ...and worth of topic headings in their own individual rights

 

so the question becomes ... how come you have not bought them up in the first place if it is really important to you

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i have this problem with people that make scathing comments about an article or a story or whatever ...without fist reading it

 

kinda reminds me of when a whole lot of church organizations, religious leaders, and followers went completely ape with a dan brown book, whose title escapes me now, but is  irrelevant and wanted to have it banned ,,, yet, every last jack of them, from my own experience never read it to pass judgment in such a vitriolic manner

 

after all it was really just another "in search of the holy grail" type story of fiction

 

i even had this local pastor "giving me the lecture" ...so i challenged him with the query of if he read the book .... guess what? his answer ... you guessed it ..... no

 

so i told him it must be wonderful to honor your god by NOT honoring the intelligence the blessed you with

 

and proceeded to bleat like a lamb led to the slaughter by a terrible shepherd

 

he was furious with my inuendo

 

did he ever read the book ? who the fuck cares nor desire to find out

 

subsequent reports by the media and others ...about the book .....well.... exposed him for what he was ...a complete fucking idiot

 

moral of the story ...everybody read before daring to open their mouth

 

or to put it differently .... i cant pass judgment on the "satanic verses" until i get my hands on the book ...and so far haven't bothered, mainly because it low on my priorities

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Eyoismos, I am glad for your two sense here.

 

If you read the article it was mostly about the survivors, their families, Greece, Israel, and much less little to do with Germany. Yet some got all tied up in knots like the priest in your story. 

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Guest PatrickT

hmmm.... can we talk about people with blazing paranoia, extreme feelings of a prosecution complex embedded in their psyche, or maybe this ingrained desperation to find imaginary scorpions under every pebble in the sand

 

Evryone knows here how much greekes hate german people and bring up this bullshit, so spare me the crocodile tears. 

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