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Nobody brainwashed me or anything. There is much controversy about the race of the Ancient Egyptians. For one, I think they were aliens.  :P  Anyhow, I said the Egyptians were Africans because Egypt is in Africa. Secondly, it appears that Herodotus who had seen the Egyptians said that they were black and had woolly hair. Some say the translation is not black but burnt skin. Obviously, the paintings we see don't show the Egyptians with black skin but kind of reddish skin. But apparently, African people have many shades of skin colour, not just black. There were however Black Egyptians for one or two dynasties, I think. 

 

About the Lybians, you can read this article:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2060396/Fall-Gaddafi-s-regime-allows-archaeologists-explore-hidden-ancient-civilisation.html

 

I don't try to compare the Lybians to Rome, India or China, it is just that we can't say all Africans did not have any civilization. They did have. 

 

But why this urge to compare Europeans to Africans? Let them Africans be, they have enough problems they have to deal with. If you want to compare anything, compare yourself with somebody who is "better", bigger, richer, stronger, etc., now than you, rather than somebody who is poorer and in weaker position than you.

 

We live in the 21st century and people evolve with the times and events. Does Europe really need to rediscover its own heritage and its own religion? What heritage is that when you have so many disparate countries with their own cultures and histories and what religion is that when you have Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, etc.? Why does Greece need those countries to find back their heritage and religion to feel at home, why can't Greece do things on its own to feel at (its own) home? 

 

Greece is small, but if you look at other countries in South East Asia, for example Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc., they are small but independent countries. So why can't Greece be like those countries, why does it need Europe to survive? Europe is killing Greece, why not get rid of Europe?

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Read my question again. This is not what I asked.

I think it is clear from my response that I consider Europeans to be the lowest of the low.

 

We are talking about people who lerned from the Chinese how to build guns and use a compass and shortly after they had perfected those guns and set sail to distant shores to shoot up naked savages with their new guns. But shooting them up was not enough. They also had to destroy their culture and shove Christianity down their throats. Where ever they went their murdered and plundered. Took the land and gave the survivers of their rampage Bibles. And if the starving savages accepted the bibles they would also receive alms.

 

If you must compare then by all means. Tell me.

How many ethnicities did the Chinese eradicate?

On whom did they force their religion and values?

How many cultures did they eradicate?

 

The answer is NONE. Despite the fact that they have been the most advanced Nation on the face of the earth from the beginning of history up to the dawn of the modern era. The Europeans do the same old still. This seems to be an irresistible urge rooted in their Abrahamic genes. They are "The Righteous", "The Chosen People". So they go around lecturing everybody while robbing them.

 

And now I hear the call that  all Euro Prcicks have to gang up to save the World from the Chinese threat! And todays Europeans are the lowest form of life imaginable. No sincerity. No integrity. No honor. No courage. Nothing but boundless greed, arrogance and selfrighteousness. Europe is the source of the cancer that is eating up this world. And the sooner the Euro trash gets burried the better the chances for the future of humanity become.

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I have trouble following you. So OK, Indo-Europeans are superior. However, every race thinks that it is the superior one. So where do we go from here and is it really important who is more superior?

 

 

 

This is an Interesting point. I have noticed that the so called "Progressives" have a hard time to accept that people are different. They are afraid that once you acknowledge "difference" you will have to take the next step and answer the question: Who is better.

 

And sure enough the supremacist are ready to oblige and anser: "WE" are the best.

 

I don't agree with either. Off course, people are different but the question "Who is better" is invalid because it is incomplete.

 

Forks are different then Spoons. But would you ever ask which is better? This depends, obviously, on the task which makes the question incomplete and thus invalid. Asking if spoons are better than forks for eating soup on the other hand would be a complete, valid and easy to answer question.

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Forks are different then Spoons. But would you ever ask which is better? This depends, obviously, on the task which makes the question incomplete and thus invalid

 

right on the money

 

all the rest by everybody is complete bullshit fed by egos and personal demons with a side plate of complete misinformation, let alone disinformation

 

for example ... this mania about the so called jewish religion  and Christianity ... blah blah blah ... and completely ignoring the fact that the upper class power hungry upper class twits hijacked the said religion, enforced it on the people ... in order to control them ,,,,, all the while doing just about everything contrary to what the said religion teaches...... but only fools blame the religion as the fault ... which is typical of faulty thinking let alone borderline stupidity .... trust so many to blame the symptom and not the cause

 

 

or for example ....

 

How many ethnicities did the Chinese eradicate?

On whom did they force their religion and values?

How many cultures did they eradicate?

 

The answer is NONE.

 

wait ... so .....i take it these done count

 

Taiping rebellion ... 20 - 100 million

three kingdoms war ... almost 40 million

conquest of ming dynasty .... 25 million

an lushan rebellion ... 13 - 36 million

dungan revolt .... 8 - 20 million

etc

 

we wont even talk about the chinese civil war

 

 

point is ... NO ethicity has got their hand clean... they are ALL got blood on their hands

 

and yes ALL where about power and influence and control and whatever else one can think of

 

the europeans where no better or different ... or should i say the leaders of the said european countries ... ditto for all the rest

 

but noooo ... its the europeans fault

 

mind you ... so many embrace the trojan wars , romanticize it ...blah blah blah ... but mean time back at the ranch ... it was a frigging trade war gone ape

 

JUST like what is happening today ..... with variations

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If you must compare then by all means. Tell me.

How many ethnicities did the Chinese eradicate?

On whom did they force their religion and values?

How many cultures did they eradicate?

 

 

The answer to all of these questions is the same: "Many". Just Google it.

 

The reality is that since the dawn of time people are fighting each other for different reasons. It used to be a family fighting other families, or a clan fighting other clans, or then a nation fighting other nations. Religion doesn't necessarily need to be involved in this (even though religion has been the root of many of these fights/wars), but people are very ingenious in finding reasons to fight each other. It can be the colour of their skin, it can be their political or philosophical views, it can be religion of course, it can be resources, it can be anything you can imagine.

 

We're an ingenious bunch when it comes to finding reasons to kill each other.

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Beyond Good and Evil...

 

Thinking in terms of good/evil actions is a Christian psychosis.

It reflects the Nihilism infecting modern man, in the west.

 

Nature is about survival and dominance. 

 

Morality begins as a necessary self-restrains so as to harmonize with others, facilitating the emergence of social survival strategies.

What we call moral behaviour is only found among social species....

Man codified it, beginning with Moses and his Ten Commandments, into ethical rules.

 

What we call moral/immoral refers to behaviour, thinking included, which contradicts social harmony, or confronts the established hierarchies and the established social conventions.

Morality is meaningless outside social necessities.  

 

European man has been infected for thousands of years with a memetic virus, with its own  corrupting moral conventions. 

As I describe in WAR like No OTHER.

 

Good/bad in nature refers to cost/benefit, referring to a goal.

Moving towards a goal si called motive, or intent.

 

Human goals can morph into abstractions, projected across time/space, and we call those ideals.

Morality, therefore encodes as ethical rules, judges an action, a thought, a choice, measured by cost/benefit, in relation to an ideal.

If the ideal is nihilistic, the cost/benefit is adjusted.

When it is realistic, or pagan, it changes.

 

For example, the ancient Spartans killed newborns that showed signs of deformity, because their ethical standards were not Christian, not Jewish.

 

Furthermore, Nihilistic ideals are so detached from reality that in order to survive within reality they must contradict themselves - they LIE.

Hypocrisy is evident in all Abrahamic religions, Judaism, the mother of Christianity and Islam. 

It is also evident in their secular offspring, humanism and Marxism.

 

It also explains the Jewish paradox: to be the chosen to suffer, gaining privilege and power, to then be earthly hedonists, contradicting the original identifier. 

In Christianity the hypocrisy is found in their inability o justify evil, in a universe created by a good god....and in such actions as the inquisition, the Crusades, and currently ni Christian attitudes towards abortion and capital punishment.

Christians lie, thieve, indulge in adultery and then go to church on Sundays to forgive themselves.

Their ideals, their dogma is unattainable, just was was Marxist Communist utopia. It is meant for life as we have never experienced, for living organisms not of this cosmos.

Super-Natural morality.  

 

Nihilism detaches the mind to where it can no longer survive ra reality it denies and denounces - requiring a sheltering system, or hypocrisy - say one thing, and do another.

In Modern Greece they worship liars and con-artists - it is called maggia [μαγγια], corrupting the meaning of the term. 

The word philotomo is simply a word they use to flatter themselves, when their actions show an absence of philotimo [φιλοτιμο]....using the truest definition of the word.

It is a psychological method, now made political after being spiritual, to control and manipulate simpletons, weaklings, ignoramuses, feeble spirits...the sick, the desperate, the afraid...in other words, the vast majority of humans born in a world where no culling has weakened the human heard, and permitted unfit mutations to survive.

This majority, in pseudo-democratic systems votes, overpowering any resistant quality.

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The answer to all of these questions is the same: "Many". Just Google it.

 

The reality is that since the dawn of time people are fighting each other for different reasons. It used to be a family fighting other families, or a clan fighting other clans, or then a nation fighting other nations. Religion doesn't necessarily need to be involved in this (even though religion has been the root of many of these fights/wars), but people are very ingenious in finding reasons to fight each other. It can be the colour of their skin, it can be their political or philosophical views, it can be religion of course, it can be resources, it can be anything you can imagine.

 

We're an ingenious bunch when it comes to finding reasons to kill each other.

You did apparently Google it and came up empty. That's why you dont list them. Oh wait! there is Tibet. Which Judeo Christianity is on a mission to save from the evil Chinese.

 

Eyo mentioned instances of Chinese internal conflicts as if I had mentioned the 100 year war, the 30 year war or any orher internal European conflicts.

 

So I ask again:

Which continents did Chinese missionaries convert to Confucianism, Daoism, Buddhism?

Which continents did the Chinese depopulate and colonize?

 

If there is anything you could compare Judeao Christianity (aka Europe, The West) to that would be Islam in its most radical and brutal form. In both instances you are dealing with people living the "Abrahamic Dream". Incresing their herd and their holds by subjugation, coercion and murder. Each following their own version of divine "Manifest Destiny".

Which makes it comical to listen to Obama ask: Which God would ever command murder and oppresion!

 

The answer is of course: Your God mister POTUS. Go read your fucking bible before you vilify ISIS for living the Abrahamic dream outlined in your own holy scripture.

 

And don't go blaming this on Human nature. Human nature is driven by necessity. We don't fight unless driven into a corner. We don't meddle in other peoples business as long as they stay out of ours. We don't designate others as enemies but stand up and fight if others pick us as their enemies. That's what Human nature is. The rest is just "Lofty" divine, universal morality bullshit made up to justify pillage and murder.

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I don't know a lot but here are some things I have read about China:

 

There are 55 minor ethnic groups living in China making up 8% of the population. These minorities have special rights that the majority Han Chinese do not have, such as:

  • the minorities can have as many children as they want, as opposed to Han Chinese who are forced to have only one child per family (now the poicy is two children),
  • their children can enter universities with lower marks,
  • their languages are maintained,
  • their religions are maintained, 
  • their cultures are maintained, etc.

Of course, with minorities that create problems, there are restrictions and controls over them to ensure the security of all Chinese citizens. 

 

There are many religions that are allowed in China, and there are even mosques led by Muslim women, something that probably does not exist in the Middle East.

 

China is a fascinating country to learn about with its long history, all the more so because, as Ajaxmonkey said, it did not do the things that he said it did not do. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China

 

Ajaxmonkey - I am curious. How do you find the current Chinese leaders?

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FoG: 

 

I am curious. How do you find the current Chinese leaders?

China is a huge country on the move, internaly. There are huge chances and huge risks wich any responsible Government has to consider.

 

I think Chinas current government has proven responsible. Unlike many of their western counterparts they don't ideologize, pontificate or mingle in things that are none of their business.

 

Of course, China has its own issues. But lets be real here. China lifted 100's of millions of her own people out of poverty and Chinese Manufacturing makes Industrial Goods accesible to people who could otherwise not afford them. Considering that close to half the worlds population falls under this category I dare say that China has recently contributed more to making peoples lifes a bit better than any other country in the world.

 

I'm not much into politics though. I'm rather fascinated by Chinese philosophy. It is a refreshing, simple, down to earth contrast to Western lofty "Ideals" invented to serve as rationalizations for insanities. We were discussing Nietzsche, in a paralel thread, and in my mind I'm comparing Nietzsches ramblings on "Greatness" to the Taoist tale of -Zhuangzi and the Turtle- and I see more wisdom in that one short tale than in the entirety of the western Philosophical corpus.

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You did apparently Google it and came up empty. That's why you dont list them. Oh wait! there is Tibet. Which Judeo Christianity is on a mission to save from the evil Chinese.

 

 

Come on now, are you kidding me? Not all atrocities are of the religious type.

You can start here: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html

 

There was also a little-known Chinese - Indian war in the 1960's. I've heard it through an Indian friend so I know his side of the story (which of course blames the Chinese for everything)

 

There was recently some issue and Chinese military aggression in the south sea.

 

There's also the well-known aggression against Taiwan and Tibet.

 

Continue Googling your way through...I'm sure you can find way more than this.

 

Nations (or kings/rulers in earlier times) become aggressive when they feel that they have the power to force their views/interests on others. This has very little to do with religion. Religious subversion is usually an added bonus.

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Come on now, are you kidding me? Not all atrocities are of the religious type.

You can start here: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html

 

There was also a little-known Chinese - Indian war in the 1960's. I've heard it through an Indian friend so I know his side of the story (which of course blames the Chinese for everything)

 

There was recently some issue and Chinese military aggression in the south sea.

 

There's also the well-known aggression against Taiwan and Tibet.

 

Continue Googling your way through...I'm sure you can find way more than this.

 

Nations (or kings/rulers in earlier times) become aggressive when they feel that they have the power to force their views/interests on others. This has very little to do with religion. Religious subversion is usually an added bonus.

Are you really so dense or are you just pretending?

 

Ok. China had a border conflict with neighboring India that let to a minor war. And who was it that was holding India as a colony and squeezing out its resources for some 200 Years?

 

Was it not Brits who would take Indian cotton for next to nothing to run their cloth mills back in distant England?

Was it not the English Crown that would levy taxes on Indians for boiling salt out of the waters of the Indian Ocean?

How many attrocities did the English commit in India?

 

And while in posession of India they waged two wars on China to force the Chinese to buy the opium the Brits produced in India.

 

And as they saw that they can't longer hold on to India they stocked religious tensions that led to the split between India and Pakistan in accordance with the divide and conquer maxim. The results of the split are still lingering in Kashmir.

 

We are talking about outward attitudes of civilizations here. Lets compare those of China to those of Great Britain on the base of historic events in the Indian subcontinent. The only picture that can emerge is that of China as a peacefull giant and Britain as a pitbull on rabies.

 

And you can tally the score on any other theater in the world and pit China against any western nation, Spaniards, French, Portugese, Dutch, Belgians, Italians, Germans, Amricans. The outcome will always be the same.

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Ajaxmonkey, that story about Zhuangzi and the turtle is pretty cool, I agree. I don't read much about Chinese philosophy, but I think I am going to start reading some. I took a look about Zhuangzi, he seemed to have many stories with animals. It reminds me Aesop's Fables.

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The war between India and China. This author is amazingly honest. 

 

http://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/china-was-the-aggrieved-india-aggressor-in-62/282579

 

This is something I learned as I have been following news from Indian and China over the years. Indians are extremely agressively negative about and jealous of China and Chinese people. If you read comments under Indian articles, they always call the Chinese people Chinks. On the other hand, there is in general no animosity by the Chinese towards Indians, for the simple reason that the Chinese do not think about the Indians, the Indians simply not being in the radar of the Chinese, they have other things more important to think about.

 

India is warmongering in the South China Sea where it has absolutely no claim:

 

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/brahmos-indias-supersonic-mega-missile-china-should-fear-17491

 

India going overboard by moving Missiles along border with China:

 

https://sputniknews.com/asia/20160826/1044649942/china-india-border-dispute-missiles.html

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Ajaxmonkey, that story about Zhuangzi and the turtle is pretty cool, I agree. I don't read much about Chinese philosophy, but I think I am going to start reading some. I took a look about Zhuangzi, he seemed to have many stories with animals. It reminds me Aesop's Fables.

Indeed the stories are very similar to those of Aesop whom I also love.

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I don't fully know the facts but I think Taiwan was a province of China. The Japanese took it during a period after a war (as per the article below) and I think the Chinese took it back after. The Kuomintang (KMT) government (I think the government that wanted to establish democracy in China) ran to Taiwan on exile after being defeated by the new Communist party government under Mao. The KMT established a new government in Taiwan. When you think about it, the Taiwanese are actually Chinese from mainland China, they are not even cousins, they are brothers. 

 

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/08/economist-explains-16

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Yes, Aesop's fables are so full of wisdom. In French literature (do you read French?), there are the Fables de (Jean) Lafontaine which are in the line of Aesop's Fables.

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Yes, Aesop's fables are so full of wisdom. In French literature (do you read French?), there are the Fables de (Jean) Lafontaine which are in the line of Aesop's Fables.

I don't speak French unfortunately. I'm fluent in German, Greek, English, proficient in Spanish, can read basic Russian and have a very limited grasp on Japanese.

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Tibet and China, a complicated story. 

 

http://www.case.edu/affil/tibet/staffPub/f_affairs.htm

 

By the way, under the old Tibetan rule, the Tibetans lived like serfs. There was a very good article on how life was under serfdom that I read years ago, if anyone is interested, maybe they could google to find it. I think it was a female author who visited Tibet and wrote the article, quite long and quite descriptive.

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Admin - I don't know why you posted the article about Mao, that is an internal thing. 

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Eyo mentioned instances of Chinese internal conflicts as if I had mentioned the 100 year war, the 30 year war or any orher internal European conflicts.

185,250–3,000,000 – Hundred Years' War

 

3,000,000–11,500,000 - thirty year war ... a european war ...not exactly a single "nation"

 

and yet ... three kingdoms war ... almost 40 million

 

very appropriate comparison as equivalent by yourself

 

ultimately though ALL wars are about enforcing one's will, ideals, philosophies ,,,,blah balh balh ... but in reality they are all about land, resources, control etc

and religion has fuck-all to do with them ...apart from being an rabid excuse to justify to the people why they are off to die for king and country, or emperor or whatever ...so they governing elite can have their luxuries and bloated egos and what not

 

there is no difference between the human nature of europeans, or asians or whatever. they are all ultimately pretty much the same ....and you can argue about who is the best or worse till the cows come home ...but then only fools would do that, for only fools would not recognise that the only difference is place in history

 

and to prove my point ....

 

China in Africa: The New Imperialists? http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/china-in-africa-the-new-imperialists

 

 

 

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185,250–3,000,000 – Hundred Years' War

 

3,000,000–11,500,000 - thirty year war ... a european war ...not exactly a single "nation"

 

and yet ... three kingdoms war ... almost 40 million

 

very appropriate comparison as equivalent by yourself

 

ultimately though ALL wars are about enforcing one's will, ideals, philosophies ,,,,blah balh balh ... but in reality they are all about land, resources, control etc

and religion has fuck-all to do with them ...apart from being an rabid excuse to justify to the people why they are off to die for king and country, or emperor or whatever ...so they governing elite can have their luxuries and bloated egos and what not

 

there is no difference between the human nature of europeans, or asians or whatever. they are all ultimately pretty much the same ....and you can argue about who is the best or worse till the cows come home ...but then only fools would do that, for only fools would not recognise that the only difference is place in history

 

and to prove my point ....

 

China in Africa: The New Imperialists? http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/china-in-africa-the-new-imperialists

 

 

Eyo mentioned instances of Chinese internal conflicts as if I had mentioned the 100 year war, the 30 year war or any orher internal European conflict.

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.100 year war and 30 year war wasnt even in the cards UNTIL you mentioned them ... which only proves that you DID mention them

 

but that is not the point

 

the point is that the chinese throughout history is NO different .... and to be honest , living in africa one sees the other face of the chinese .... regularly

 

and the article i pointed to confirms it even more than my own experiences

 

and that is just the chinese ...who ultimately prove to be just as racist, for example,  as the europeans , or the indigenous populations

 

hiding it better from the surface makes absolutely no difference whatsoever .... EVERYBODY, without exception, wants what "the others" have, be it power, land, resources, influence, whatever .... EVERYBODY plays "the game" using their own "sets of rules" , priorities and importance are ...well.... different ... according to perspectives

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You love to argue against reason. Well, lets tally:

 

Congo:

Belgians: slaughter in the millions, anihilation of villages for not delivering on ruber quotas, forcefull conversions to Catholicism.

China: No involvement

 

Namibia:

Germany: slaughter of the Herero, documented genocidal orders for no reason at all.

China: No Involvement.

 

Abesynia:

Italy: use of poison gas on civilians, murder and oppresion for the purpose of pillage.

China: No involvement

 

Algeria:

France: Slaughter in the millions in persuit of imperial ambitions.

China:No involvement.

 

Angola:

Portugese: Slaughter and oppression for the purpose of Pillage

China: No involvement

 

Mozambique:

Portugese: Slaughter and oppression for the purpose of Pillage

China: No involvement

 
the list goes on and on.....
So where exactly does that sentiment, satyr expressed, come from that "Europe" must be united to save the world from the evil Chinese?
If the Chinese were half as agressive as the Europeans, a great part of the world would be Taoist today. But this isn't the case even in Chinas immidiate neighborhood or in China. Foreign faiths such as Buddhism, Islam, Christianity can be found in China and her vicinity. While Europe prosecuted everything that was not Christianity into extinction in her own territory and almost all teritories she conquered.
 
Perhaps you are so blinded by the notion of European (aka Judeo-Christian) superiority that the facts don't even register with you. European arrogance is the one true evil the world has to get rid of.

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holly fuck ... where did i say European superiority you dumb ass ?

 

all i said is they/we , humans, are all the same, irrespective of color, creed, or whatever

 

 

and while we are at it ... belgians an ethicity ? seriously ? and that but an example

 

not to mention that the respective armies include many of the indigenous people, albeit from opposing tribes ..and we are talking africa here alone

 

 

or for the fact that ... well .. to put it into perspective ... why you think they are so many "muslims" in france ... mostly from algeria? oh wait ... the algerians where fighting as well ..to conquer algeria, ... on behalf of the french

 

some people are so naive as to not see the broader picture .... and the broader picture is .... yup ... they tossers on top of the food chain ...which so happen to be often of european extraction

 

while we are at it ... ever heard of ... Caracalla  ? a black emperor of rome .... pretty weird if you ask me ... rome governed my an african, and black no less

 

and sure the chinese didnt get involved THEN  .... and in the same way either ...they operate differently , and in different areas

apart from the numbers of population they had to slaughter ... which are quite comparable to the individual so called ethnicities of the individual european "ethinicites", if not worse .... ESPECIALLY NOW in africa

 

its all about firepower ... the chinese may have invented gunpowder, but the european perfected it, and in many ways are STILL leaps and bounds ahead of the so called opposition .... that was in those days.... today its about technology and money .... and yes ... the chines are behind ...barely ... but the "notion" of "european" are still ahead by a mile

 

for the time being and in this part of history

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Perhaps you are so blinded by the notion of European (aka Judeo-Christian) superiority that the facts don't even register with you. European arrogance is the one true evil the world has to get rid of.

 

 

Reality is that most ethnic groups regard themselves as superior as compared to their neighbours. We know this since ancient times, since the time we have recorded history. I wouldn't doubt for a minute that even before that time, when people were living in caves,small bands of people or families  would most likely think themselves as superior to other bands or families living nearby. And if they'd have the means (if they were physically stronger, if they had better weapons etc.) they would certainly make sure to enforce their "superiority" to everyone around them.

 

In short, I'd agree with eyoismos on this. This is human nature. Has nothing to do with race, religion or anything else. Given an opportunity most human beings would enforce their "imaginary superiority" to others.

 

Europeans had the means to do it since the 1400-1500's as they had more advanced weaponry than their opponents in all other continents. In the Americas whole civilizations were wiped out before the Europeans got there. In Asia the Mongols invaded China several times and wiped out millions of people. The same with the Japanese who invaded several areas in Asia and killed millions of people. The Chinese invaded Tibet in recent times, and also Korea and Vietnam (both in recent and ancient times).

 

So saying that Europeans are "evil" and the Chinese or other Asians are "saint" doesn't really make much sense.

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"Giant role in developing Africa

An insight into how OBOR might work can be gained from the remarkable success China has so far achieved in its economic engagement with Africa. China now plays a pivotal role, largely because of its no-nonsense, non-judgmental, can-do approach.

Examples of China's infrastructure prowess in Africa abound, from a new deep water port in Kenya, to railways throughout East Africa and roads and hospitals in Guinea-Bissau. Elsewhere there is a lengthening list of new roads, hospitals, ­airports, power stations, railways and schools springing up with billboards ­featuring Chinese aid organisations.

They are providing an infrastructure that could help Africa emerge from half a century of mendicant state status and a litany of wars, starvation, pestilence and rampant corruption. From a paltry $US1 billion in bilateral trade 35 years ago, Chinese-African trade and investment flows have risen an astonishing 200-fold.

At the same time China is strengthening its grip on resources and political goodwill in an Africa with abundant reserves of oil, gas, iron ore, coal, copper, gold, diamonds and uranium, plus enormous potential to contribute to global food security.

Fitch Ratings has estimated that China's Export-Import Bank extended $US67.2 billion in loans to sub-Saharan African countries between 2001 and 2010 – $US12.5 billion more than the World Bank. The figures are potentially stratospheric, with the Export-Import Bank of China forecasting a few years ago that by 2025, China will have provided Africa with $US1 trillion in financing, including direct investment, soft loans and commercial loans."

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