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I don't know about other countries but here in England it feels that whether you're Greek from Greece or Cyprus that we're just declining, either not having as many kids or just not going with your own. Theres loads of turks in England and they produce like rabbits! I feel we've lost that patriotism we once had. 

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Most muslim families have many kids (more than 2 for sure...), while most Greeks (and most Europeans for that matter) have much smaller families (1 or 2 kids). If this trend continues then you're right, in a few years we'll be overcome by hordes of muslims :)  :)

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Most muslim families have many kids (more than 2 for sure...), while most Greeks (and most Europeans for that matter) have much smaller families (1 or 2 kids). If this trend continues then you're right, in a few years we'll be overcome by hordes of muslims  :)  :)

very true! I'm based in england but I hear in Cyprus and Greece their not as Greek as they once were if that makes any sense? some families still hold their traditional Greek values but but as I said as things go on will be a race that once was!. I know millionaires who struggle to have 3 kids as it might drain their style of living

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Well there's a majority of Greeks who can't speak Greek in England and this is usually because the second generation Greeks for some reason just choose to speak english, even though they know Greek perfectly well. I have cousins who cant speak a word or even understand Greek but their parents are fluent. So speaking your mother tongue would be a start lol

 

secondly if you can financially afford to try having more kids, like i said previously I know millionaires or people who are well off and they get scared of the thought of having 2 maybe 3 kids, but yet these turks, kurds, somalians who live here are at it like rabbits. Look at our neighbour Turkey there like ants.

 

I could go on and on but you get the drift

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Since Greeks in Canada live so far away from Greece, and most of them don't have the opportunity to go back often, they've held on to most of the traditions they brought with them when they immigrated to Canada (most of them in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s).

 

From my experience, most of the Greek-Canadians who were born in Canada speak and understand some Greek. Some of them are pretty fluent, others can just communicate using basic phrases. But overall I'd say most of them do speak enough Greek to go by.

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Nobody knows, but if you look at the US where there are older Greek communities from the early 1900s - and even though the US are not "encouraging" multiculturalism as much as Canada does - there are still thriving Greek communities in many cities, and I've personally met with 3rd and 4th generation Greeks who are very Americanized but still consider themselves Greeks (and some of them surprisingly do speak some Greek!)

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Well I took my mum out the other day for mothers day to eat at a Greek restaurant. I saw second generation Greeks with non-Greeks and there kids (3rd Generation) were with non-Greeks, so that right there is pretty much a race gone unless the 3rd Generations kids get with Greeks, but I somehow dont see that happening. Most of the restaurant had some Greek influence but the majority was mixed :( 

 

I'm glad to hear that about the american Greeks, I have always heard how most Americans call themselves american when there not. Something needs to be done. It's obvious not many people care seeing as its just me and you talking about the subject

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Well, you can't force Greeks marry to other Greeks in multicultural societies where Greeks are a minority. Saying this for Greeks and Greek-Cypriots living in Europe it should be much easier to stay connected to their heritage. It's a short 3 hour flight from anywhere in the UK to Greece or Cyprus, and the flights are cheap too. If I lived in the UK I'd be visiting Greece 3-4 times/year!

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I know you cant force anyone! however if your brought up and told to stick with your own kind and you mix more with your own kind our race is more likely to stay within our roots. So where Greeks are a minority before you know it they'll all be mixed and matched and that bloodline no longer exists, it'll be my great great great great yiayia was Greek. But even where there is a large Greek community this happens. to be fair flights might be cheap but to actually buy food and living costs is pretty high in Cyprus and Greece. How often do you go?

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I go every summer, and we're a family of 4. I've made it a priority for us to go back every year.

I guess everyone makes their own choices. For some people it may not be important to visit Greece that often. For me it is. Despite being a very expensive trip I make sure to make it happen every summer.

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I know you cant force anyone! however if your brought up and told to stick with your own kind and you mix more with your own kind our race is more likely to stay within our roots. So where Greeks are a minority before you know it they'll all be mixed and matched and that bloodline no longer exists, it'll be my great great great great yiayia was Greek. But even where there is a large Greek community this happens. to be fair flights might be cheap but to actually buy food and living costs is pretty high in Cyprus and Greece. How often do you go?

 

I live in America and have absolutely no contact to "American Greeks".

Why? Cause they have NOTHING to offer. When I first came to the US I got in touch with some Greeks in Houston and it was a rather disappointing experience.

First thing I was asked is: How come we don't see you at the Greek Church?

 

Telling them that I don't give a damn about religion in general and the Greek Orthodox flavour of Christianity in particular made me already an outcast for the bulk of them.

No big loss on my part. Most off those guys live in their little Grecian bubble and regurgitate the same stale stuff over and over again. There is nothing to be learned by that.

 

We live in a big world with many interesting people and Ideas. So why should I waste my time in the Grecian "Ghetto"?

I was born in Greece and speak the language, and yet: I don't care for Greece.

 

It has become an insular, intellectually inbred society that is completely out of touch with the reality of the modern world. And Greeks are bound for extinction because of that.

Sure, I still have a house and family in Greece and I visit often. Not because I miss "The Greeks" but because I miss my family, my few friends and the hills around my village.  

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No one's saying to live in a Grecian ghetto. I don't really see the issue if someone asked  you why they don't see you at church, seeing as we're Greek orthodox and seeing a fellow Greek they probably thought exactly that.

 

May I ask why you even made contact with those Greeks seeing as you don't really care much for Greeks?. I've visited Greece and its Islands and I'm from Cyprus and  the majority of them were up to date with the world some even more modern and hold less values than the Greeks in England,dont get me wrong some villages are not quite so advanced but its a bit far fetched to say Greeks from the homeland arent modern. 

 

 

so let me get this right, because you feel Greeks are intellectually inbred and not modern enough etc that will lead to Greek extinction? I find that hard to believe on the contrary Greeks who dont care for Greece, its people and what these "Greeks have to offer" will result in our extinction, so sad

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There are many "interesting" and many "uninteresting" Greeks as much as there are many interesting/uninteresting Americans, Brits, Canadians etc. 

 

I don't associate with too many Greek-Canadians either, and I partially agree with ajax on his observation, however, I did find some interesting Greek people over the years and I do keep in touch with them from time to time. For most though it's true that their lives revolve around the Greek church and the Greek community, and I don't really have time for that.

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No one's saying to live in a Grecian ghetto. I don't really see the issue if someone asked  you why they don't see you at church, seeing as we're Greek orthodox and seeing a fellow Greek they probably thought exactly that.

 

May I ask why you even made contact with those Greeks seeing as you don't really care much for Greeks?. I've visited Greece and its Islands and I'm from Cyprus and  the majority of them were up to date with the world some even more modern and hold less values than the Greeks in England,dont get me wrong some villages are not quite so advanced but its a bit far fetched to say Greeks from the homeland arent modern. 

 

 

so let me get this right, because you feel Greeks are intellectually inbred and not modern enough etc that will lead to Greek extinction? I find that hard to believe on the contrary Greeks who dont care for Greece, its people and what these "Greeks have to offer" will result in our extinction, so sad

 

Έτυχε να μεγαλώσω μέσα στο Ελληνικό γκέτο του Μονάχου. Μέσα σε ένα περιβάλλον το οποίο με προγραμμάτισε να πιστεύω ακράδαντα ότι εμείς οι Έλληνες ήμαστε "Εκλεκτός" λαός και ότι οι ξένοι το αρνούνται αυτό επειδή μας μισούν. Τέτοια ανατροφή δημιουργεί τάση απόδρασης από την  πραγματικότητα προς το καταφύγιο που προσφέρει η φαντασίωση του "Ελληνικού Μεγαλείου" που αποτυχαίνει να μεγαλουργήσει επειδή δεν το αφήνουν οι κακοί ξένοι. Αυτό οδηγεί, φυσικά, στην γκετοποίηση και την απομόνωση από την πραγματικότητα του κόσμου που μας περιβάλλει.  Εγώ τα έζησα αυτά πριν από 30 χρόνια αλλά δεν άλλαξαν και πολύ τα πράγματα από τότε. Έχοντας επικοινωνία με Έλληνες στην Ελλάδα και στο Μόναχο διαπιστώνω ότι, για την πλειοψηφία, το αφήγημα έμεινε το ίδιο. Λίγοι είναι αυτοί που κατάφεραν να αποτινάξουν την φαντασίωση του "Ελληνικού Μεγαλείου" σε αναλογία με τη απόσταση που έφυγαν από την Ελληνική ανακύκλωση του σανού. Για σοβαρούς ανθρώπους, με ικανότητα και μυαλό,  Η Ελλάδα έχασε την γοητεία της. Όποιος μπορεί να φύγει φεύγει. Άρα: Δεν υπάρχει μέλλον για την Ελλάδα και τους Έλληνες ως κοινωνικό σύνολο, έθνος, κράτος.

 

Έλληνας γεννήθηκα και Έλληνας είμαι άλλα κρατάω την απόστασή μου από την Ελληνική "Ιδιαιτερότητα".

 

Δεν νοιώθω ικανοποίηση για το χάλι της Ελλάδας άλλα ούτε και με πειράζει πλέον. Δεν μπορώ, εγώ, και ούτε έχω το δικαίωμα, να ανατρέψω την συλλογική "ελεύθερη" βούληση της πλειοψηφίας τον Ελλήνων που οδηγεί στον αφανισμό. Αρκούμαι λοιπόν στην αμφισβήτηση του "Ελληνικού Μεγαλείου" και κάνω την δουλειά μου... στο εξωτερικό.

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krima re file krima

 

Δυο λέξεις, και αυτές  σε greeklish. Επί της ουσίας του γιατί ο Ελληνισμός έχει χάση την γοητεία του και πως θα μπορούσε να αντιστραφεί αυτό το φαινόμενο δεν έχεις να πεις τίποτε; 

 

Αν πράγματι σε ενοχλεί ο μαρασμός του Ελληνισμού δώσε το καλό παράδειγμα και χρησιμοποίησε την αυτήν την ριμάδα την Ελληνική την γλωσσά.  Πατριωτικές προτροπές στα Αγγλικά δεν βοηθάνε. 

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