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#1 ajaxmonkey

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 04:55 PM

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Trump that bitches.





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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:55 PM

Most people in the US and Canada seem to be shocked by the results of yesterday's election. For those of us who live outside the bubble this was not a huge surprise. The exact same thing happened in the UK a few months ago, in Greece last year, and in several other European countries over the past year or two.

 

The world is changing. The US elite will have to get on with the times. This is the era of the populists (Trump, Farage, Tsipras etc.).



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Posted 09 November 2016 - 06:24 PM

I feel genuinely relived that Hillary got trumped. My daughter and son in law are in the US-Navy reserve. Her eagerness to "Save" Allepo, confront Iran, establish a No Fly zone over Syria while the Russian air force is present could have put my kids lives at risk.

 

The elected leader of a country has one job and one job only: To address the issues the people of HIS country are facing. The "Old, Ignorant, Uneducated" Americans who understand that elected Trump. While the voters in more "Progressive Nations" elect "World Citizens" who busy themselves "Saving" the world and don't give a flip about the people of the nation they are supposed to lead.

 

What happened in America is the rebirth of Democracy. 



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Posted 09 November 2016 - 08:05 PM

It's very short sighted to look at things just from your personal interest perspective.

 

I guess Trump may (or may not) be good news for Syria. We'll have to see if he will change something in the way the US is dealing with this situation. However, what's certain is that his ascent to power will affect how you and your family live your lives within the US. You are an immigrant yourself, and if I remember correctly your wife is an immigrant too (she's Hispanic, isn't she?).

 

Don't you think that this may be a problem in a country which voted for a president someone who sees all immigrants, and especially the latinos, as a problem?


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Posted 09 November 2016 - 08:22 PM

My second wife is a native, hispanic Tejana. Her people lived here since the ice age and no she's not an immigrant. She does has relatives in Nuevo Laredo though who where driven out after the Mexican American war. My first wife was an American born Korean. My son in law is american born to immigrant Mexican Parents. I'm the only Immigrant in my tri-racial family. And if a Trump win means I'll get kicked out tomorrow. I'll take that gladly. I prefer that to seeing my kids being called up to defend Freedom and Democracy in Syria while 1.000.000 fighting age Syrian men receive welfare in Germany and France. If you call that shortsighted and selfish: so be it.



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Posted 09 November 2016 - 09:27 PM

Well, according to Trump your Mexican in-laws must be rapists, prostitutes, you name it. I don't suppose you see them that way too. So why would you think that Trump's extreme (and unjustifiable) views work well for you (as an individual) and for the US as a country.

 

Trump has said some pretty horrid things over the past few months. I think you're intelligent enough to understand that he's a buffoon. Yes, we do laugh with his antics from time to time, but that's all there is to it. He's good for a laugh here and there, but if you look at the situation seriously giving a person with his personality this much power is a dangerous thing.

 

In any case, I'm glad I don't live in the US. On the positive side (for the rest of us...), the US economy and the US dollar is probably going to suffer with Trump and the Republicans in power over the next few years, so this is good news for us Canadians buying US products and visiting the US as tourists.  :)



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Posted 10 November 2016 - 05:50 AM

Well, according to Trump your Mexican in-laws must be rapists, prostitutes, you name it. I don't suppose you see them that way too. So why would you think that Trump's extreme (and unjustifiable) views work well for you (as an individual) and for the US as a country.

 

Trump has said some pretty horrid things over the past few months. I think you're intelligent enough to understand that he's a buffoon. Yes, we do laugh with his antics from time to time, but that's all there is to it. He's good for a laugh here and there, but if you look at the situation seriously giving a person with his personality this much power is a dangerous thing.

 

In any case, I'm glad I don't live in the US. On the positive side (for the rest of us...), the US economy and the US dollar is probably going to suffer with Trump and the Republicans in power over the next few years, so this is good news for us Canadians buying US products and visiting the US as tourists.  :)

 

You progressive Canadians know everything about Latinos. I'm just married to them and happen to live in Bexar county. Which btw is only 60% Latino. Non Hispanic whites are whopping 28% of the population here. And yes Hillary won Bexar but Trump still got 41% of the vote. Can you do the math?

 

Where does this leave the claim that the only ones  who Voted for Trump where deplorable, old, uneducated, racist, angry white men?

Sure Trump is an idiot, if he were not he would have taken Bexar county 4 to 1. Despite what you may think, Latinos are very conservative in their values. The just despise the Republican party cause way to many republican politicians target Latinos. And no one more than Trump. And yet, he still got 29% of the Latino vote nationwide. What does that tell you bout how Latinos see Hillary?

 

If the Latinos had turned up in droves, and Trump being the loudmouth he is, Hillary would have won the Election. But the greater part of Latinos didn't bother to go make Hillary a president. What did the democratic party do for the Latinos? The Latino middle class is under pressure like the middle class in general. They don't care about Syria or Iran. And they are not eager to welcome Muslim refugees here either. They have their own problems. There is a drug war going on in Mexico. South of the border is Cartel territory. Drugs come North money and weapons go south. The border towns on the southern side are dotted with brothels and there is quite a bit of human trafficking going on too. So guess what, drug dealers, Cartel hit men, and rapists do come across the border. Trump is certainly guilty of generalisations but so is the whole happy, progressive, global Hillary fan club that puts everyone who does not agree with them in the basket of deplorable, old, uneducated, white men.

 

This is just a replay of the Brexit result. Once you deny that there are issues everyone who sees any must be an evil hater.

 

And it has to be WHITE MEN of course.  Was watching some discussion on the causes of Trumps win on German Spiegel TV earlier today. And German feminist icon Alice Schwartzer was saying the problem is "The White Man" who acts like an angry gorilla. That's what got Trump elected. Curiously enough good old Alice never said a word about Syrian child brides, the refugee rape fest, Isis sex slaves or women denigrating Rappers. The WHITE MAN is the ONLY problem. All that progressive bullshit makes me wanna barf.    



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Posted 10 November 2016 - 01:33 PM

Let me tell you one thing. as an American of Hellenic descent, I may be considered white male, but that is NOT why I VOTED TRUMP. As previously mentioned by others, prior administrations, cared about global issues leaving domestic issues fester. Children going hungry, homeless dying on the streets, infrastructure crumbling, while spending billions in international "adventures" of their own creation. They would demonize a situation or a leader by using their lapdog press, and use this information as a pretext for interventions.

 

We heard that story many times and we have waken up. Time to let a NON politician give it a try. He said all the right things, and the people believed. I just hope it was not a siren song.

I have listened to him talk for 10 to 15 years prior, and found him to be genuine and honest. He speaks his mind, regardless the consequences.

 

Most politicians ar from poor backgrounds and have to consider ther after the politicking lives, which makes them vulnerable to being bought. He is a billionaire. You can't buy buy him for a few miserly millions. 



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Posted 10 November 2016 - 05:50 PM


Lekatis:

 

 I may be considered white male, but that is NOT why I VOTED TRUMP. As previously mentioned by others, prior administrations, cared about global issues leaving domestic issues fester. Children going hungry, homeless dying on the streets, infrastructure crumbling, while spending billions in international "adventures" of their own creation. They would demonize a situation or a leader by using their lapdog press, and use this information as a pretext for interventions.

 

You are spot on.



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Posted 10 November 2016 - 06:29 PM

You wouldn't call Obamacare a global issue, would you? Yet this is one of the first things Trump wants to get rid off. 



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Posted 10 November 2016 - 07:52 PM

You wouldn't call Obamacare a global issue, would you? Yet this is one of the first things Trump wants to get rid off. 

 Good riddance. Obamacare is a disaster.



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Posted 11 November 2016 - 12:37 AM

For those not familiar with "Obamacare" it was a legislation written entirely by hospital, medical associations and the pharmaceutical lobby. It was to entice the uninsured to sign up, get them used to paying for their healthcare, and then hit them over the head with the crazy rate increases. The latest, was reported to have increases for an average of 25%, but many localities were hit with a 100% increse. Do you want to sign up for that? get in line! Oh, I forgot, there is no line for that. You will be the first and only one for that!!!!



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Posted 11 November 2016 - 02:15 AM

So then you're saying that it's better to be uninsured, as millions of poor Americans were before Obamacare, and have no way to pay for any medical expenses if something happened to you?

 

In the meantime, the rest of the civilized world provides free (or subsidized) health care to ALL of its citizens.

 

By the way, shouldn't Trump be wearing a red tie in the picture above?  :D



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Posted 11 November 2016 - 06:53 AM

So then you're saying that it's better to be uninsured, as millions of poor Americans were before Obamacare, and have no way to pay for any medical expenses if something happened to you?
 
In the meantime, the rest of the civilized world provides free (or subsidized) health care to ALL of its citizens.
 
By the way, shouldn't Trump be wearing a red tie in the picture above?  :D


You have the wrong idea about Obama care. I don't doubt that Obama started out with good intentions but at the end the lobbyists had their way and Obamacare ended up a mess. And yes, he had the republican congress against him. But don't forget that the Democratic establishment, which Hillary represents, did all it could to morph Obamacare into an abomination. At the end of the day the people don't see Obamacare as something that is worth protecting. That's why 100 mil eligible Voters (43%) stayed home.

In the 2008 election Obama received almost 70 mil votes. This year Trump and Clinton got about 59 mil votes each. What does that tell you?
Since 2008 Demographics shifted about 4% in favour of minorities. In the aftermath of the 2012 Election Nate Silver was declaring that the country has changed for good and "The Angry White Man" does not determine the outcome of elections. Yet here we are 4 years latter and the Clinton camp claims Hillary lost because a "White Lash". The uneducated deplorable hateful xenophobe white man denied Hillary the presidency.

But wait a second. Is that so?
What happened to the 70 Million people who voted for Obama in 2008? If they had come out to vote for Hillary she would have won the popular vote by a margin of 11 mil Votes. If you add to that the effects of the demographic shift she should have won by a margin of at least 15 mil votes. If she had managed to mobilise people the way Obama did in 2008 that is. In which case she would have stomped Trump in to the dust.
But that didn't happen. Why?

It is simply because Hillary was the wrong candidate. This election was not won by "Angry White Men" it was lost by Hillary and the establishment of the Democratic party. The fact that those morons are not willing to acknowledge that shows you how isolated, and comfy, they are in their echo chamber. The numbers don't lie:

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 05:38 PM

I don't think anyone argues that Clinton was the wrong candidate for the democrats. This was clear as early as last year where there were a few polls showing that between her and Sanders only Sanders had a good chance of winning Trump. Obviously the democrats didn't take those polls seriously.

 

I never was a big fan of Hilary myself, but again, she's not really the "devil" most people think she is. If elected she'd most likely have been a middle of the road president. She's already what you'd call a "centrist" and if anything, most elected presidents end up shifting a bit to the right when in office.

 

It's going to be interesting to see how Trump is going to "evolve" when he take on his role as the president. Will he continue his antics as a president too? We'll have to wait and see, but I'm not hopeful that he'll change. Most people expected that he'd tone it down after he'd won the Republican nomination but the guy continued saying crazy things up until the day he was elected. The only time I thought that he toned it down a bit was with his celebratory speech after he won the elections. Up to that point he's been off the leash saying crazy things left and right. 

 

The guy is a loose canon so if nothing else this is going to be 4 years of laughing with him and his antics. I just hope that his joker will only screw up America and not the rest of the world.



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Posted 11 November 2016 - 06:10 PM

Clinton is not a centrist. She's a vicious neocon attack dog. That's why the centrist crowd that elected Obama twice didn't bother to go vote for her.

Obama received 70 million votes back in 2008 because he was the voice of reason. He campaigned on domestic issues and against the Bush wars Hillary supported. Obama bested McCain and Palin, the demented duo and true darling of the Angry White Man, by 10 mil votes. Clinton couldn't match Obamas success cause she's in substance indistinguishable from her good friend McCain. Obama didn't manage to do all the things he wanted but he did fight long and hard against the Republican Congress and the Interventionist fraction within his own party (aka Hillary). And he did restrain them to a great extend. That's why Obama, or someone even half as good, would have no problem to beat Trump or anyone else.

As far as Trump is concerned, his presidency wont change America domestically, the demographic reality of the country will not allow that. Trumps foreign policy is most likely gonna be handled by John Bolton. The most aggressive neocon war hawk ever. That's the guy who wants to nuke Iran and dismantle the UN. Which makes him perfect for the job in my eyes. Not for the reasons you may think though. I like the prospect of a war monger such as Bolton being in charge of US foreign policy cause this will make it impossible for the European countries to participate in US adventures abroad. I shouldn't underestimate the spin-doctors of the Euro media conglomerates but I can't see how they could convince Europeans that going on a crusade with John - one hair away from full blown Nazi - Bolton fits in with European values.

The good thing about that is that America, without the support of Europe, will refrain from going on an interventionist quest.

Or perhaps they are stupid enough to do.

In which case we'll witness the end of American Hegemony.

Either way. Trump will, at best, achieve nothing and in the worst case for America lose the role of "Leader of the Free world".

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 09:59 PM

Don't get me started with Obama. A little bit of a background; I became citizen and voted democratic (registered democratic also) since Jimmy carter. I have on occasion cast a supporting vote for a local Republican candidate, but never a presidential. I voted Obama, the first time, and after the obstructionist stance of the Republicans I gave him a pass for not doing what he pledged he'd do and voted for him a second time in the previous election. 

 

Came to realize, he was a total fraud. His was really a Trojan Horse that the elites planted in the election process, in order to move on with their agendas. His entire cabinet was selected and appointed by Citigroup as soon he got elected. 90% of his policies were big business giveaways. Look at TARP a 3 Trillion giveaway to the banks, Obamacare another giveaway to the insurance industry, Nuclear arsenal and weapons upgrades, a giveaway to the Military Industrial Complex; All his masters that will (I predict) take care of him when he's out of office, as they did the Clintons, the first ex president to become a Billionaire after leaving office. 

 

What did he really do for the common man? He really created no new jobs; At least nothing anyone can make a living and support a family on. With all those Trillions he gave to the banks, why couldn't  he say, forgive some of the oppressing debt people are under and can't pay because of this stagnant economy? He didn't. He just let the banks pocket it all.

 

Whet it came out that the entire Democratic machine was conspiring to undermine Sanders' candidacy, (which I already knew before Wikileaks exposed it with proof) my mind was made up. To hell with the politicians. I want someone who does not care about politics. I want change, and the kind that Obama promised and did not deliver.

 

I have to say, Wednesday morning around 3:00 AM felt as good or better as it did 8 years ago when we picked Obama, before we knew what a fraud he was. I just pray for our sake, Trump will not be as huge a disappointment as him. 



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Posted 11 November 2016 - 10:15 PM

I wonder how Trump is going to create jobs. Furthermore, it looks like he is ready to enter into a trade war with everybody. Slapping tarrifs and cancelling trade deals would isolate the US in a global world. And where will he find money to pay for the infrastructure?



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Posted 11 November 2016 - 10:29 PM

 

What did he really do for the common man? He really created no new jobs; At least nothing anyone can make a living and support a family on. 

 

I wonder where you're basing this on? From what I know unemployment in the US is at an all-time low (or at least the lowest it's been in years).

 

The reality is that the jobs Trump is promising don't exist anymore - or at best they're headed towards extinction (for example don't expect new coal mines to open, and don't expect millions of new jobs to be created overnight for uneducated 50+ year old people. It's not going to happen).

 

Reality is going to hit Trump supporters really hard next year. 



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Posted 11 November 2016 - 10:40 PM

I agree with Admin. Whenever I read US news, they said that the unemployment rate is lower in recent years. Don't know what kind of jobs though.

 

As for Trump, listening to one of his speeches, it seems to me he hopes the manufacturing jobs will come back. Starting back from base zero because I think there are no manufactures of anything anymore, except big technologies and the arms industry. Surely, the US is not going to start manufacturing shoes, clothes and plastics again, will they? The big jobs he promised seem to come from rebuilding infrastructure, but again, who will pay for it? And will the American people want to do those kinds of jobs is another question, and at what wages.

 

Slapping tariffs on imports from China will just make them out of reach of the average and poor people. The future does not look so good.






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