generally i am a "middle of the road" kinda person, whereby on some issues i lean to the so called right, while on other issues, i tend to lean to the left

but after thinking quite a lot about the results, i gotta admit, i am kinda happy that things have deeloped they way they did, whereby nobody came in strong enough to form a government.

not exactly conducive to an ideal situation, especially during these trying times, but the way i see it, its a message to all the parties involved, especially the ND and PASOK, an the message is (and i am talking politically) .....

STOP FUCKING AROUND!

stop with the established tendency of bickering over shite, let alone more serious issues, for example, whereby the same laws are proposed by each party and each blasting it, then prety much the same situation is rerun, when the roles are turned

stop treating the electorate as idiots. tolerenance has reached its limit, and now now more

stop treating the country as your own little τσιφλικια whereby you do what you do for your own tsepoula

stop with the lies and bullshit. you cannot fool everybody forever

stop with the lawlessness that has been allowed to be established, whereby the "big boys" get away with murder, while the "little guys" pay for the "bog boys" sins

the list is pretty long, but the gist is pretty much the same

we wont even get into the economic policies that the previous parties undertook and failed miserable, mostly because of the above, one way or another

what was very surprising, even shocking was the results of Hris Avgi. 21 seats in parliament. and what i saw, they got far too many votes in kalavrita, for example, a town that nearly got wiped out by the nazi, and yet voted for a pretty much nazi party. to which it led me to believe....are some greeks fucking crazy?

also a bit surprising, though, in retrospect, understandable, is the rise of siriza which passed pasok. by the same token, a neccessary evil in order to facilitate the situation of NO party is in the position to form a government

pasok...... well this is what happens when you bullshit with the likes of "ta hrimata iparhoun" .... just to get into power and fuck the truth..... well i gues the truth just told them fuck you!

nd ..... arrogance, especially by its leader, has taught a bitter lesson in humility - "old school" is no longer acceptable - respect your fellow party members and parliamentarians and treating the party as a personal dictatorship. and most important, stop playing other parties game, and play your own.

kke ... well pretty much stable for the past decades...battling to maintain 10%, though this time round the percentage dropped to around 8.5%. this is what happens when you still have the mentality of 70 + years ago.... all talk and no proactiveness for the better, INCLUDING the rediculous mentailty of no compromise and cooperation, just like the radical unions they control...and now they are paying the price (the unions)

all the other parties are purely a result of individuals "escaping" from so last century mentalities of the previous parties in power, and forcing ALL leaders to LISTEN to its party members

do i think a government will form, from the cooperation of other parties? no!
do i want it so? NO
in the short term no a good situation, hell ...it could even be detrimental to the economy of greece....but again ...short term

what i hope for is another election maybe in 6 months

why?

because it will give time to the electorate to overcome their fury, and give them a cool off period to rethink....and THINK AGAIN
but most important of all..... for all the parties to FUCKING WAKE UP and think greece FIRST

maybe just maybe the moulari ways of each and every party, its leadership and its members learn that the way they have been doing things up to now has no future whatsoever, and each and every one of them COLLECTIVELY are to be blamed for the mess that Greece now founds herself in

It's a dangerous situation, with most parties not willing to co-operate with anyone else. Not sure what's going to come out of this.

Scariest thing of all is that 7% Chrysi Avgi got. I think it's the first time in recent history that they elected any representatives (and they won 21 seats this time around!). Left wing parties came out quite a bit stronger too, but both left and right are very fragmented with many small parties holding a 6-7% of the vote.

I can't help but wonder whether a military coup is just around the corner...

Over all a very good day. The punch against ND and PASOK should have been harder and I still don't understand why people waste their votes on KKE. Other than that not bad at all. I'm very happy that the XA is represented in parliament. Greek Nationalists speak for about 10% of the Greek population and they must therefore be in parliament.

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I can't help but wonder whether a military coup is just around the corner...

Sorry admin but something like that is not even a remote possibility. Unless of course our "Western Democratic Friends and Allies" choose to orchestrate it.

Yup, exactly like they orcehstrate every other military junda around the globe.

If they realize that whoever gets in power won't play nice (for example if Syriza manages to form a government - however unlikely this may seem at the moment...) then I won't be surprised if we see a military coup. I hope I'm completely wrong on this one...

In the meantime, we're most likely headed for another election in June (and I may be in Greece at that time to vote  ). Those results are going to be far more interesting to see.

I share Eyoismos feelings here, I have mixed feelings about this whole thing.

About a dictator ship in Greece, I do not see that happening, I do not think anyone in the military is crazy enough to do that, besides the crazies, everyone understands what a disaster the last one was, and the Greek people just would not put up with it.

and Admin me to think that the "scariest thing of all is that 7% Chrysi Avgi got"

Admin,

I think it is already clear that there will be reelections in June. There is no way to form a governing coalition out of the current mix. Now this will of course set the Euro Johns looking for some Ho willing to sell out to them. We are gonna see quite a bit of activity between now and June.

But seriously I don't think they'll get somebody to prostitute Hellas out to them this time around. The atmosphere is tense and emotions are running high. But most importantly: By now everybody knows that the bailout deal is a scam. It just doesn't lead out of the crisis and was never designed to do that. Even the official Eurostat predictions contradict the claims.

sorry dino but what is that supposed to mean?

Should we ignore the will of 450.000 Greeks who voted for Xrisi Avgi because 3000 something Jews do not approve?
Since when do the Jews have a veto power in Greek politics? Has the Jewish state acknowledged the slaughter of the Hellenes in Asia Minor yet? Right! Lets put the Jews first and our people second.

I dont get why everyone is surprised people voted for  Chrysi Avgi? I like their stance on Illegal Immigration.
Have you seen Europe latley? Why do you think Le Penn is so popular?  
They're not 'Nazis' as the leftist media loves to paint them. They're nationalists. Crazy nationalists? Yes, but simply nationalists.
I would be more worried about the left, who wants to hand the country away, who dont give a damn about Macedonia and a billion other things.
Fortunately, right-orinated voters seemed to be in the majority. Looks like another election in June.
Even though I know ND are far from perfect, I hope Samaras wins, because the rest of them seem nuts lol

Rhodos,

where do you get the idea from that Right Oriented Voters are in the Majority?
We've got 36.5% for the right and 44.6% for the left. That's actually a win for the left and the only reason the left can't form a government is because the ND gets a 50 seat bonus for being the strongest party. If the seat distribution was based fair and not rigged in favor of the biggest party the left would be able to forma government with ease.

Anyhow, you are right about the Xrisi Avgi. I don't agree with them at all but that doesn't matter. 450.000 Greeks voted for them and I respect their choice. I think all those chicken little's running around complaining about the scary Xrisi Avgi are missing the point: The Xrisi Avgi represents a sizable chunk of the Greek electorate. Live with it.

But what I find hilarious is the hypocrisy of our Jewish compatriots. I've never heard them complain about racism in Israel. Never heard them complain about Dov Lior when he said: "a thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew's fingernail". And all the while Jewish settlers drive Arabs out of their homes and construct settlements on stolen land.  

But lets focus on our own Problems. Sorry Rhodos but Samaras is an Idiot. There is no playing nice with the Euro dicks. What they ask of us is suicide. They expect from the new government to increase VAT on Hotel Accommodations and Restaurants to 23% from now 11%. So How the hell is that going to help the Greek economy? Tourism is the only thing we got left. The only industry that can provide jobs to the legions of unemployed, at least during the season, and they are asking us to tax this Industry with another 12%.
We may as well go drown ourselves in the Aegean.

The continuation of the Troika policy leads with arithmetic precision to the dissolution of our country. There is no light at the end of this tunnel. We must play hardball. Get into the offensive that's our only chance.

I think Tsipras is right. We must take matters in our own hands and decide what part of the debt we are willing to recognize and what not. And the Europeans will come around and play ball. Cause they have no choice. Let Angie pretend she's a lioness, in reality she's just a little bitch. And with the right guy at the helm we can easily make her our bitch. So no need to bend over and let the Euro dicks have their way with us.

Why is this so?

Because Greece is AMONG THE LEAST INDEBTED COUNTRIES IN EUROPE. It is really that simple. Our public debt may be ridiculously high but if you consider overall external debt, public and private, our debt comes out to 178% GDP. Compare that to Ireland's 1250%, or the UK's 450% or Belgium's 350% or France's 250% or even Gemany's 185%.

Now you may think there is a difference between Public and Private debt but this is not the case anymore. It stopped being the case at the moment Europe decided to guarantee the gains of the speculators in Ireland, Spain and the UK. The current system makes essentially all debts Public and all gains private. That's the root issue for the fiscal crisis.

To hear the Brits and the Belgians and the Dutch say that we Greeks live beyond our means is just laughable. It is them who live beyond their means. Not us. The Political Elite who run Greece lived beyond its means. Not "The Greeks". And yet it is this political elite that run the country in the ground that has favor with the Europeans.

And that's why this Elite does not deserve the favor of the Greeks. Samaras is part of this elite and thus part of the problem. Not the solution. I think we need somebody outside the established parties. Somebody who can stand his ground and not give in to the Europeans. No matter what the outcome may be, it can not be worse than the known outcome of the current policy.

But frankly, I don't think the Europeans can afford to get into a pissing match with Greece cause they are in the shit up to the neck. All of them. Let them roar all they want. At the end they'll have no choice than to play along with whatever unilateral decision a Greek government makes and present this as a new victory for Europe.

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sorry dino but what is that supposed to mean?

Should we ignore the will of 450.000 Greeks who voted for Xrisi Avgi because 3000 something Jews do not approve?
Since when do the Jews have a veto power in Greek politics? Has the Jewish state acknowledged the slaughter of the Hellenes in Asia Minor yet? Right! Lets put the Jews first and our people second.

This means that I embarrassed at the racist views of so many Greeks, for years Greeks have emigrated to other countries, for years Greeks in Greece happily accepted remittance from family aboard, they brag about their philoxenia,  but when the Albanians came, many Greeks complained, ignoring that most Albanians came looking for better lives, like many Greeks many times before did also. Many of the Albanians were of Greek descent, and yes many like other immigrants in the past got involved in crime, that is common when immigrants move to another country and can not find jobs, this is not right, it is wrong, but it is how things have been for ever, it is simple economics. So for many years I read all kinds of ignorant views. Now immigrants with a different religion, culture and skin tone start arriving, and words like rats, animals, scum, .... are posted everywhere by Greeks, on blogs, facebook, twitter, ... I am not denying that Greece in no way can handle that many immigrants, especially not now, so something has to be done, but dehumanizing individuals that make the great sacrifice of leaving loved ones behind to make a better life with the hope of helping family and friends back home, is wrong.

About the article, I just simply posted what one of the many opinions out there are about Xrisi Avgi, which by the way much of what I have learned about them comes from papers like Kathimerini, and if you payed attention, it is the one Greek site I most often quote, and as you know it is not a left leaning paper.

As for Israel, I am not going to debate you about their racism existing in Israel which is very much true, and so are the Arabs and most Muslim nations in Greece's neighborhood against Jews and Christians, and talking about hypocrisy, they all cry a river when it comes to the Palestinian treatment in Israel and Palestine, but are most (not all) silent about the Kurdish treatment in Turkey, Iran, Syria and at one point Iraq. Or how are the Palestinians truly treated in some of the other Muslim states.

And the reality right now is that Greece and Cyprus are in the middle of developing a strong relationship with Israel that is benefiting all 3 parties.

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And the reality right now is that Greece and Cyprus are in the middle of developing a strong relationship with Israel that is benefiting all 3 parties.

This is something you should be very afraid of dino. Israel is NOBODIES friend. Go on and dream about an alliance. All Israel does is putting through us pressure on Turkey. And since the Cypriots and the Greeks are stupid enough this will inadvertently lead to conflict with Turkey. At which point Israel will make a turn and rekindle Turkish Israeli love. In other words: We are setting ourselves up to be back stabbed.

There are no ifs or buts about this. Chicken shit Cyprus can not offset the huge strategic importance Turkey has for Israel. Get this into your head. Turkey is the big boy in the region and she has a strategic depth that the other players lack. Add to that Turkey's military might, dynamic economy and sheer size and you'll see why Israel can not be serious about an alliance with Cyprus.
    
The whole thing is preposterous. Less then 100 years ago Hertzl was in negotiations with the Brits to set up a Jewish homeland on Cyprus. A few years before that he had tried to establish a Jewish State in Central Makedonia, and he had the support of the Brits on that one too. But Venizelos played his game well and outmaneuvered Him on that one. And hey, I'm not getting this info from the Xrisi Avgi, it comes right out of Hertzl's pen.

And here we are now talking about a Greek Cypriot Israeli alliance. Well if the Cypriots are that dumb I wish them a repeat of the Artemion Rebellion. A Jewish rebellion that resulted in the death of 240.000 people on Cyprus. Close to 80% of the Non Jewish population were Killed by Jewish fanatics during the event. But I guess they don't teach those things in "Holocaust Class".

Nevertheless, generalizations are just that: Generalizations. The "Jews" aren't all gentile hating pricks and neither are all the people who voted for the Xrisi Avgi racist maniacs. The Jews may have valid reasons to support the state of Israel just as the followers of the Xrisi Avgi have valid reasons to fear for the integrity of our nation. But me personaly, I wouldn't align myself with either.

I am a Nationalist, meaning a person who puts the allegiance to my Nation above all things but one: Allegiance to the truth. And that's why I don't subscribe to the Xrisi Avgi. There are just to many Celtic Crosses on their T-shirts. Way to much Aryan nation symbolic and talk. Way to much racism. Those guys are not Nationalists. They are Racialists. And whats even worse: They believe in the supremacy of a race that is not even their own. Which is sad when you think about it.

I think a Nation is a collective that is bound by common goals and principles. As such it is not a matter of race. But a matter of will. Besides being indecent it is also outright stupid to exclude good and valuable people from a collective just because some idiot things they have the wrong "Genes".

That said: Greece does have an Immigration problem. And you can't just generalize and equate the Albanian immigrant who has invested himself in Greece and strives to be a part of Greek society with the Nigerian drug dealer. And as long as the state doesn't take care of the foreign criminal elements we are going to have a problem, to which Xrisi Avgi is going to be the solution, the worst possible solution but nevertheless a solution.

It is unfortunate that the left sees the need to embrace every thug, con artist, pimp and drug dealer who enters our country illegally. Calling those people "Immigrants" is an insult to every true Immigrant. It is about time they get their heads out of their asses and face the reality of the issue.

πάντως μου κάνει μεγάλη εντύπωση οτι ούτε μια πορεία ή απεργεία ή διαμαρτυρία ή ακόμα τσαμπουκαλίκι με καταστροφές και μάρμαροβολές ...και όλες οι άλλες ενδείξεις "αυτοκτονίας"

γιατί άραγε;

μπάς και έχουν καταλάβει επιτέλους όλοι οι ηλίθιοι οτι οι αιώνιες απαιτήσεις για μισθούς κλπ ..... οτι αίμα δεν βγαίνει από την πέτρα

ο κόμπος έφτασε στο χτένι και φράγκα δεν υπάρχουν από πολύ καιρό ... όσο και να λυσσάξουν .... και τώρα πιά, τέρμα τα δίφραγγα

one thing is for sure though, "scandals" will continue to surface

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Διώξεις σε βαθμό κακουργήματος απήγγειλε η Εισαγγελία σε περισσότερα από 20 άτομα για την αποκαλούμενη υπόθεση του «κυκλώματος ακινήτων» στην οποία φέρεται να εμπλέκονται μία εφέτης, ένας πρόεδρος εφετών, ένας εισαγγελέας πρωτοδικών, ένας αρχιμανδρίτης, δικηγόροι, δικαστικοί επιμελητές, εφοριακοί, τραπεζικοί υπάλληλοι και αστυνομικοί, ενώ πρωταγωνιστικός ρόλος αποδίδεται σε έναν πολιτικό μηχανικό.

Οι κατηγορίες που τους αποδίδονται μετά την άσκηση ποινικής δίωξης, κατά περίπτωση, αφορούν μεταξύ άλλων τα αδικήματα της κατάχρησης εξουσίας, απάτης, ενεργητικής και παθητικής δωροδοκίας, ψευδούς βεβαίωσης, εγκληματικής οργάνωσης νομιμοποίησης εσόδων από παράνομη δραστηριότητα.

Η υπόθεση θεωρείται στο Εφετείο εξόχως σοβαρή και έτσι η κύρια ανάκριση θα ανατεθεί σε εφέτη ανακριτή, λόγω μείζονος σημασίας, ο οποίος θα οριστεί από την Ολομέλεια Εφετών που προσδιορίστηκε να συγκληθεί στις 31 Μαΐου.

Τα μέλη του κυκλώματος φέρονται να συνέστησαν περισσότερες από 150 εικονικές εταιρίες, με εμφανιζόμενο αντικείμενο την αξιοποίηση ακινήτων, μέσω των οποίων παραπλανούσαν ιδιώτες, υποσχόμενοι ότι θα μεσολαβούσαν σε υποθέσεις πλειστηριασμών ώστε να αποφευχθούν οι κατασχέσεις με αποτέλεσμα να χάνονται οι περιουσίες των θυμάτων τους. Η δράση του κυκλώματος φαίνεται να ξεκινά πολλά χρόνια πίσω, που βάσει των στοιχείων που έχουν συλλεχθεί ξεπερνούν τη δεκαετία.

Η υπόθεση άρχισε να αποκαλύπτεται πριν από περίπου δυόμισι χρόνια, ύστερα από μηνύσεις τραπεζών οι οποίες εντόπισαν ότι μέλη του κυκλώματος κατάφερναν να «παγώνουν» διαδικασίες πλειστηριασμών. Έτσι ξεκίνησαν με δικαστική εντολή καταγραφές τηλεφωνικών συνομιλιών, που πραγματοποίησε η ΕΥΠ και ξεπερνούν τις 100.000 σελίδες, από τις οποίες άρχισε να ξετυλίγεται το κουβάρι της δράσης της πολυπληθούς ομάδας. Στις επίμαχες καταγεγραμμένες συνομιλίες γίνονται αναφορές σε πολιτικά πρόσωπα αλλά και σε εκπροσώπους της Τοπικής Αυτοδιοίκησης.

Η διερεύνηση της υπόθεσης ανατέθηκε στον εισαγγελέα Εφετών, Ισίδωρο Ντογιάκο, το πόρισμα του οποίου μετά το πέρας της πολύμηνης έρευνάς του διαβιβάστηκε στον προϊστάμενό του αντεισαγγελέα του Αρείου Πάγου, Γιώργο Χατζίκο, που παρήγγειλε και την άσκηση των ποινικών διώξεων. Ήδη με εισαγγελική διάταξη έχει απαγορευτεί η έξοδος από την χώρα σε τρεις εκ των κατηγορουμένων: στον πολιτικό μηχανικό, στον αρχιμανδρίτη και σε ένα δικηγόρο.

but one thing will always be asked, considering the current "habit" in legal implementation ..... who and when will end up in jail, and the fortunes and assets of the guilt seized ?

what are the odds? considering past performances .....between zero and nothing